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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LGB Alliance is now a registered charity

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OhHolyJesus · 20/04/2021 12:38

It took over a year...

"LGBA applied to register as a charity in March 2020. Its purposes are to promote equality and diversity and human rights.
The test of charity status is set out in law. A charity is an organisation with exclusively charitable purposes for the public benefit, that is subject to the jurisdiction of the High Court of England and Wales. If it meets these legal tests, it will be entered on the charity register.
It is not the Commission’s role to make value judgements about the aims or ideas put forward by any organisation. Instead, its role is to decide whether an organisation’s purposes fall within the legal definition of charity.
The Commission received a number of objections to the registration of LGBA as a charity. It carefully considered these as part of making its decision. In handling this application, the Commission has had regard to the Public Sector Equality Duty.
Registered charities fall under the Commission’s regulation, and their trustees must continuously meet the legal duties and responsibilities set down under charity law. A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.
The full decision, explaining the grounds for registering the organisation and the objections that were considered, can be found on GOV.UKK_"

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-confirms-registration-of-lgb-alliance

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/04/2021 13:58

@ASugarr

Yes I teach RSE. I work alongside doctors who are gender specialist and sexual health specialists. Sadly no I cannot discuss it publically due to privacy laws and confidencality.
Confidentiality about the practice details and the clients yes.

But RSE is not a secret. Nor are the many diagnostic tools used across all medical areas. Well, not if they are legitimate, been through Ethics, Peer Review etc.

I suspect you are lead swinging...

Erkrie · 21/04/2021 13:58

That's a bit rude asugarr. Sounds like a personal attack to me 😢

Biscuitsanddoombar · 21/04/2021 13:59

@Leafstamp

Where's the actual support and help?

You do know that not all charities have to have a helpline and drop in centres?

It’s almost as if not all charities have stonewalls millions innit

Providing help & support via Campaigning & awareness raising is a charitable activity

Datun · 21/04/2021 14:00

Honestly. It's like accusing a lesbian charity that all they talk about is lesbophobes.

😆

JustGotHere · 21/04/2021 14:00

Congratulations! Thanks UK for leading the way for the rest of the world!

I read the full decision and it got me thinking that there are plenty of other orgs that are, in fact guilty of the same offenses that LGB Alliance has been accused and absolved of. Perhaps someone should complain?

Erkrie · 21/04/2021 14:01

Honestly. It's like accusing a lesbian charity that all they talk about is lesbophobes.

Grin
R0wantrees · 21/04/2021 14:01

Unherd
'Why I can’t trust Stonewall any more
Its fight for gay rights was exemplary; now its trans dogma makes it unfit to work in schools'
BY JONNY BEST
(extract)

If ever there was a lost, screwed-up gay kid who would have benefited from the existence of an organisation like Stonewall in his childhood, it was me. Bullied, lonely, and lacking any knowledge about what it meant to be gay, but feeling a vague, dark sense that the lives I saw around me were not the same as mine — I didn’t have words to describe what I felt. At around the age of 13 I retreated into myself and was taken to a child psychologist, but I refused to speak.

I was 18 when the infamous Section 28 became law in May 1988, prohibiting the ‘promotion’ of homosexuality by local authorities. I don’t know where all this promotion was taking place but it wasn’t at my Cleethorpes comprehensive, which had covered sex education in one baffling, strictly science-only lesson. Homosexuality wasn’t mentioned, let alone advertised.

In 1989, Stonewall was founded and, thanks in large part to its careful, determined work, British society began to change for the better. Life became gradually easier and happier for lesbians, bisexuals and gay men. It was a slow process." (continues)

The calumny that LGBT people are a risk to children is alive and well, and I don’t want what I write here to give succour to those who perpetuate it. But here’s the thing: the Stonewall of today is not the Stonewall I so admired a decade ago. If I were on the phone to those teachers today, I’d advise them not to have Stonewall in their schools.

The government also appears to have spotted that something is wrong. It has issued guidance prohibiting schools from working with external organisations that “reinforce damaging stereotypes, for instance by suggesting that children might be a different gender based on their personality and interests or the clothes they prefer to wear”. The government doesn’t say which organisations it has in mind, but several established LGBT organisations — including Stonewall — produce materials that would appear to fall foul of the new rules.

The original Stonewall proceeded from a premise which gradually found support across the political spectrum: that the experience of same-sex desire is morally neutral and therefore not a just basis for discrimination. Stonewall’s campaigns to equalise the age of consent, overturn the ban on gays and lesbians in the military, and secure civil partnerships and equal marriage, all gathered social and political support on this basis." (continues)

For example, it has led Stonewall to reconfigure homosexual desire. This is not immediately apparent from Stonewall’s glossary, which, for example, describes a lesbian as a woman who is attracted to other women. But the glossary doesn’t offer a definition of ‘woman’ because Stonewall is keen to dodge the implications of its replacement of biological sex with self-reported gender identity — namely that a woman is a person of either sex who ‘identifies’ as a woman.

It follows inexorably that lesbians must now accept that — to use the phrase beloved of trans activists and their woke allies — “some women have penises”. You don’t have to know much about lesbianism to appreciate that the absence of penis is fundamental to the concept. When a group of lesbians protested at London’s Pride parade in 2018, Stonewall showed them no sympathy. This issue is causing distress and anger for many people, including young women just finding their feet in the lesbian community." (continues)

concludes:
A substantial, and increasing, number of lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans people have had enough of Stonewall’s dogmatism. The founding in 2019 of the LGB Alliance, a grassroots, lesbian-led lobbying group which rejects gender identity, is responding to the demand for alternative thinking.

Stonewall’s brand is powerful — but brands are illusory, and Stonewall’s masks the socially divisive and damaging effects of its current policies. Politicians, schools, NGOs and major corporations routinely subcontract their judgment on LGBT issues to Stonewall, persuaded that whatever Stonewall says is ‘best practice’ must be right. But they should learn to be more cautious, because the new Stonewall is a vastly different organisation from the one which gradually earned their trust."
unherd.com/2020/10/why-i-cant-trust-stonewall-any-more/

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 14:05

I have to jump off for now. However confidencality isn't just about the young people. It's about how the practice is run, how to handle x,y and z. That information cant be handed out (at least none that isn't already public on the goverments document of RSE). The rest is a companion policy to not be discussed.

R0wantrees · 21/04/2021 14:06

@ASugarr

Yes I teach RSE. I work alongside doctors who are gender specialist and sexual health specialists. Sadly no I cannot discuss it publically due to privacy laws and confidencality.
Misrepresenting the law and making repeated baseless smears and false allegations against lesbians and a lesbian-led charity would likely be contrary to such employees social media policy.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/04/2021 14:09

@ASugarr

I have to jump off for now. However confidencality isn't just about the young people. It's about how the practice is run, how to handle x,y and z. That information cant be handed out (at least none that isn't already public on the goverments document of RSE). The rest is a companion policy to not be discussed.
You'd think you were the only person who works in similar organisations. Grin
ASugarr · 21/04/2021 14:09

Yet who I work for doesn't. We aren't on the LGB alliance page either in which they claim to "call out" these groups. Not much that we do in terms of RSE is on their page.

PronounssheRa · 21/04/2021 14:10

@Erkrie

I do wonder why certain charities are so scared that LGBA now has a legally recognised voice.

My dph was wondering if it was something to do with competition over funding. Dph may have a point.

Absolutely it's about market share and potential reduction in funding. Stonewall want to operate as a monopoly.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/04/2021 14:11

But seriously. You teach RSE and have made some baseless comments about the politics around it. You might need to reconsider how you use SM. Your employent contract might have something to do with it!

Scepticaltank · 21/04/2021 14:11

The last paragraphs of the article I linked in response to ASugarrs claim of not understanding why same sex attracted people dont want to include the opposite sex if they have a gender identity of gay man.

"All of which illuminates the situation Kaig Lightner describes in the comment that opened this piece: the sudden revelation of his transgender identity was likely profoundly disorienting for his dance partner, who walked away rather than attempt to re-evaluate his sexual identity and relationship to his own community in the middle of a gay bar’s dance floor.
No amount of education, awareness, or empathy for transgender people or their experiences is going to persuade some gay men to undertake that journey. Probably the best we can hope for is more kindness and grace in gay men’s rejections of those they don’t view as prospective partners — no matter their gender identity.
But given the casual cruelty that so often characterizes gay men’s treatment of those they don’t view as potential partners, I’m not holding my breath."

ASugarr, do you spend a similar amount of time talking to gay men about how disgusting they are for their same sex attraction as you do here telling us as female supporters of LGBA that we are disgusting?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/04/2021 14:12

@ASugarr

Yet who I work for doesn't. We aren't on the LGB alliance page either in which they claim to "call out" these groups. Not much that we do in terms of RSE is on their page.
So answer their call!

And if your RSE is not 'on their page' it is likely not to be compliant with recent government/DoE regulations.

Datun · 21/04/2021 14:13

It's the hypocrisy that gets to me.

Lesbians, particularly, are targeted on the basis that they don't conform to gender ideology.

And then you get people saying oh my God, all they talk about is the way they are targeted!

It's like gay liberation never happened.

Maybe young people like sugar don't realise quite how many organisations were set up by gay and lesbian people to counter the harassment and disagreement over their sexuality.

And now they're having to do it all again.

The 'right side of history' has never looked more hollow.

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 14:14

@Scepticaltank

The last paragraphs of the article I linked in response to ASugarrs claim of not understanding why same sex attracted people dont want to include the opposite sex if they have a gender identity of gay man.

"All of which illuminates the situation Kaig Lightner describes in the comment that opened this piece: the sudden revelation of his transgender identity was likely profoundly disorienting for his dance partner, who walked away rather than attempt to re-evaluate his sexual identity and relationship to his own community in the middle of a gay bar’s dance floor.
No amount of education, awareness, or empathy for transgender people or their experiences is going to persuade some gay men to undertake that journey. Probably the best we can hope for is more kindness and grace in gay men’s rejections of those they don’t view as prospective partners — no matter their gender identity.
But given the casual cruelty that so often characterizes gay men’s treatment of those they don’t view as potential partners, I’m not holding my breath."

ASugarr, do you spend a similar amount of time talking to gay men about how disgusting they are for their same sex attraction as you do here telling us as female supporters of LGBA that we are disgusting?

Never said anyone was wrong or disgusting for being same sex attracted. At all.
Datun · 21/04/2021 14:16

Never said anyone was wrong or disgusting for being same sex attracted. At all.

Good. You said they didn't need representation. Hopefully you now realise that, yes they do.

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 14:16

@Datun

Never said anyone was wrong or disgusting for being same sex attracted. At all.

Good. You said they didn't need representation. Hopefully you now realise that, yes they do.

No. I said the LGBA doesn't represent that.
Scepticaltank · 21/04/2021 14:17

But when LGBA and their supporters talk about it and analyse the impact of gender labels on same sex attraction that's disgusting?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/04/2021 14:18

I said the LGBA doesn't represent that. So.. what do they do?

Datun · 21/04/2021 14:18

*No. I said the LGBA doesn't represent that.

🤣

Fortunately it's not up to you who lesbians choose to represent them.

AbsintheFriends · 21/04/2021 14:19

I had a comment deleted this morning, though I have no idea as it didn't name or quote any particular poster. However, since the report button is obviously being used very readily, I'll just c&p the bit that said I've always valued the level of discussion on MN, and the articulacy, intelligence and critical evaluation skills of the many formidable women here - which I'm sure is what most of us come here to engage with. It would be such a shame to see the standard of discussion here dragged down by circular arguments and baseless accusations.

R0wantrees · 21/04/2021 14:22

I've always valued the level of discussion on MN, and the articulacy, intelligence and critical evaluation skills of the many formidable women here - which I'm sure is what most of us come here to engage with. It would be such a shame to see the standard of discussion here dragged down by circular arguments and baseless accusations.

This ^^

Datun · 21/04/2021 14:24

Good call. And opportune as the WESC is starting soon.

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