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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LGB Alliance is now a registered charity

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OhHolyJesus · 20/04/2021 12:38

It took over a year...

"LGBA applied to register as a charity in March 2020. Its purposes are to promote equality and diversity and human rights.
The test of charity status is set out in law. A charity is an organisation with exclusively charitable purposes for the public benefit, that is subject to the jurisdiction of the High Court of England and Wales. If it meets these legal tests, it will be entered on the charity register.
It is not the Commission’s role to make value judgements about the aims or ideas put forward by any organisation. Instead, its role is to decide whether an organisation’s purposes fall within the legal definition of charity.
The Commission received a number of objections to the registration of LGBA as a charity. It carefully considered these as part of making its decision. In handling this application, the Commission has had regard to the Public Sector Equality Duty.
Registered charities fall under the Commission’s regulation, and their trustees must continuously meet the legal duties and responsibilities set down under charity law. A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.
The full decision, explaining the grounds for registering the organisation and the objections that were considered, can be found on GOV.UKK_"

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-confirms-registration-of-lgb-alliance

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ASugarr · 21/04/2021 13:49

Ironic considering my disability. It if that's what you think of me then sure.

MichelleofzeResistance · 21/04/2021 13:49

The information they've made against RSE is all false.

Can we separate out 'false' (inaccurate, wrong, lying) from 'I don't agree with or believe it personally'?

yourhairiswinterfire · 21/04/2021 13:49

Our Asks:
1) Comprehensive research with clear definitions
We call on government to conduct research to discover the extent and manifestation of conversion therapy, and why it happens. This must also establish an accurate definition of what conversion therapy is, as well as what it is not. This needs to include consultation with all relevant stakeholder groups.
2) Enforce existing legislation and guidance
We call on government to enforce any existing legislation that can be used to help #EndConversionTherapy. Government also needs to enforce the existing guidance for schools to avoid misinformation that may lead children to believe either their personality or their body is in need of changing.
3) Investment in transgender healthcare
We call on government to invest in the provision of more high-quality psychotherapy for minors presenting with gender dysphoria, as well as reducing the waiting time before children can access this specialist support.

The absolute monsters 😱

Leafstamp · 21/04/2021 13:49

@ASugarr

This. Thank you for putting my thoughts in a better context (sorry I'm tired and can't keep up today). Exactly this. How can an organization actively want no Relationship and sex ed in schools and want conversion therapy to be legal and be a LGB charity?
Honestly, I mean this genuinely, you probably need to more regular breaks from social media and use you lunch hour for more restful and nourishing activities than coming on the MN FWR board.
ASugarr · 21/04/2021 13:50

@MichelleofzeResistance

The information they've made against RSE is all false.

Can we separate out 'false' (inaccurate, wrong, lying) from 'I don't agree with or believe it personally'?

Okay. Still would be false.
Erkrie · 21/04/2021 13:50

I do wonder why certain charities are so scared that LGBA now has a legally recognised voice.

My dph was wondering if it was something to do with competition over funding. Dph may have a point.

yeahbutnaw · 21/04/2021 13:50

@ListeningQuietly

I am bemused why anybody thinks that LGBA should concern themselves with the wishes and desires of Trans people.

Diabetes UK do not concern themselves with cancer diagnoses.

Each charity worries about and campaigns for its own interest group.

There are multiple charities that overlap on cancer but they do not try to get each other shut down.

I do wonder why certain charities are so scared that LGBA now has a legally recognised voice.

Nobody cares if they don't take actions to support trans people.

That's not the problem. The problem is that the vast majority of their activity is about trans people.

R0wantrees · 21/04/2021 13:50

I teach RSE so I can't go into too much detail

It is very concerning when those who claim to teach RSE fail to understand/respect the definitions of a protected characteristic in UK Equality Act legislation.

Schools are required by Department of Education to scrutinise resources and claims made by outside agencies.

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 13:51

Whats with all the personal comments? You realize this is why discussions and comments are deleted. The patronising comments don't help anyone.

Erkrie · 21/04/2021 13:51

Can we separate out 'false' (inaccurate, wrong, lying) from 'I don't agree with or believe it personally'?

I know. The dictionary is a fabulous tool to assist with these things.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 21/04/2021 13:51

Because where does that organisation actually reach out and do anything for others, other than on their twitter platform? They don't actually do anything in terms of support and care. They are there to push their views. Which is fine but not everyone agrees with their views

Stonewall doesn't do much for some groups either and they can be perceived to be there to "just push their views".

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 13:53

@YetAnotherSpartacus

Because where does that organisation actually reach out and do anything for others, other than on their twitter platform? They don't actually do anything in terms of support and care. They are there to push their views. Which is fine but not everyone agrees with their views

Stonewall doesn't do much for some groups either and they can be perceived to be there to "just push their views".

They literally provide schools, colleges, and more free resources, connections to hotlines, support groups, help with large support events like pride. They do so much!
Sophoclesthefox · 21/04/2021 13:53

@MichelleofzeResistance

Also highly important that LGB people not agreeing with or willing to conform to gender ideological beliefs, whose needs cannot be met within that political position, have a voice that is heard by govt and other agencies so it is known that groups such as Stonewall not only don't speak for ALL LGBT people, but sometimes actively speak against the beliefs, feelings and needs of some LGBT people.

I do get that Stonewall would much prefer that such people didn't exist, and that those people having a voice is a problem for their achieving their aims, but democracy. Fairness. Inclusion. Diversity. Integrity. Tolerance.

Exactly.

Diversity of opinion is a fundamental requirement for good decision making, good policy making, good societies...good everything, basically.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 21/04/2021 13:53

@Leafstamp

I teach RSE so I can't go into too much detail

I would have thought the opposite! Are you not an expert on the subject you teach then?

Still waiting on answer to *LangCleg's" question. Why is that you want to take away support from LG&B people?

If you teach RSE (and recently you also said you worked alongside clinicians treating trans people and there was a questionnaire they used for diagnosis, details of which you also weren't able to get us) you should be able to give us details. Its not confidential.
AlwaysTawnyOwl · 21/04/2021 13:54

Above is fir ASugarr

R0wantrees · 21/04/2021 13:54

That's not the problem. The problem is that the vast majority of their activity is about trans people.

The LGB Alliance focus is on the impact to lesbians, gay men and bisexual people of gender ideology and denial of same sex orientation.

It is always telling when people insist on reframing to centre themselves / deny others their agency to advocate for their own needs.

Erkrie · 21/04/2021 13:54

Whats with all the personal comments

You realize this is why discussions and comments are deleted. The patronising comments don't help anyone.

Which ones are personal comments?
Sometimes the definitions aren't clear. Alwayss open to being educated ☺️

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 13:55

Yes I teach RSE. I work alongside doctors who are gender specialist and sexual health specialists. Sadly no I cannot discuss it publically due to privacy laws and confidencality.

ListeningQuietly · 21/04/2021 13:55

yeahbut
That's not the problem. The problem is that the vast majority of their activity is about trans people.
Please could you clarify that?
They are campaigning for those who are same sex attracted

Other charities campaign for trans people

Many, many charities deny the existence of same sex attraction or trans people
maybe the TRAs should focus their ire there

yourhairiswinterfire · 21/04/2021 13:55

They literally provide schools, colleges, and more free resources, connections to hotlines, support groups, help with large support events like pride. They do so much!

Yeah, and now LGBA are a registered charity, they'll have access to funding that will allow them to do so much. I can't wait :)

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 13:55

@R0wantrees

That's not the problem. The problem is that the vast majority of their activity is about trans people.

The LGB Alliance focus is on the impact to lesbians, gay men and bisexual people of gender ideology and denial of same sex orientation.

It is always telling when people insist on reframing to centre themselves / deny others their agency to advocate for their own needs.

Then how come almost all their events and tweets are about transgender people and demolishing gender?
theThreeofWeevils · 21/04/2021 13:56

Well what is a female? Someone born female? Because if that is the case then no. There are many people who are born female with other females and aren't lesbians

Is there any meaning here at all? Baffled.

Erkrie · 21/04/2021 13:56

I work alongside doctors who are gender specialist and sexual health specialists. Sadly no I cannot discuss it publically due to privacy laws and confidencality.

Ooh me too. Just think. We could know eachother in real life ☺️

ASugarr · 21/04/2021 13:57

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 21/04/2021 13:58

They literally provide schools, colleges, and more free resources, connections to hotlines, support groups, help with large support events like pride. They do so much

For some. Not many, many others.

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