LGB Alliance is now a registered charity

[OhHolyJesus]

It took over a year...

"LGBA applied to register as a charity in March 2020. Its purposes are to promote equality and diversity and human rights.
The test of charity status is set out in law. A charity is an organisation with exclusively charitable purposes for the public benefit, that is subject to the jurisdiction of the High Court of England and Wales. If it meets these legal tests, it will be entered on the charity register.
It is not the Commission’s role to make value judgements about the aims or ideas put forward by any organisation. Instead, its role is to decide whether an organisation’s purposes fall within the legal definition of charity.
The Commission received a number of objections to the registration of LGBA as a charity. It carefully considered these as part of making its decision. In handling this application, the Commission has had regard to the Public Sector Equality Duty.
Registered charities fall under the Commission’s regulation, and their trustees must continuously meet the legal duties and responsibilities set down under charity law. A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.
The full decision, explaining the grounds for registering the organisation and the objections that were considered, can be found on GOV.UKK_"

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-confirms-registration-of-lgb-alliance

As my old English teacher used to say. Read what's on the page. Not what you think is on the page 🤣

@Sophoclesthefox

Here’s a link to their campaigns, for anyone who is thinking of donating or getting involved

lgballiance.org.uk/campaigns/ - examples include campaigns against conversion therapy, and around RSE in schools.

And here’s a link to their events

lgballiance.org.uk/events/

There is, of course, still a global pandemic, so they’ve been subject to the same restrictions on in person events as all other organisations,

What a joke. You're suggesting they're working against conversion therapy. They're not.

They're actively campaigning AGAINST the bill to ban conversion therapy.

If you read the page on their own website, they explain this themselves.

The dictionary defines a transgender woman as "a transgender person who has transitioned from male to female". And since you believe all adult human females are women then trans women are women.

I want to hear how males can become females?

What they try to present around RSE and such is false. WHAT is false?

Specifically, with one of those examples you are so keen on. Not a glib statement. Come on, nail your colours to the mast, tell us what you really think!

What they try to present around RSE and such is false.

I hope the LGB alliance is reading this and that they complain.

Where's the actual support and help?

You do know that not all charities have to have a helpline and drop in centres?

Exactly! Thank you Soph. Plus they are against sexual health and relationship lessons in school.

I've read the first link before and honestly it's disgusting.

Again, you think the opinions and sexuality of the majority of the planet is disgusting?

Graham Linehan interviewing Kate Harris and Bev Jackson,

'Exclusive: LGB Alliance'
27 Aug 2020

"Delighted and a bit stunned to have a world exclusive here. This is the first on-screen interview with the LGB Alliance, the so-called 'hate group' that were set up in response to Stonewall's disgraceful abandonment of people who are same-sex-attracted."

@CuriousaboutSamphire

What they try to present around RSE and such is false. WHAT is false?

Specifically, with one of those examples you are so keen on. Not a glib statement. Come on, nail your colours to the mast, tell us what you really think!

I teach RSE so I can't go into too much detail, however the claims they make on what is taught is false. They try to make it out that we only talk about transgender people and gender but we don't. Hardly at all.

@Leafstamp

Where's the actual support and help?

You do know that not all charities have to have a helpline and drop in centres?

Charities usually do something to benefit the community they claim to represent.

In their case, it could be lobbying for better LGBT education (they oppose this), lobbying for a ban on conversion therapy (they want to keep it legal) or any number of things that they explicitly do not do.

They don't do anything to benefit LGB people. They play to their heterosexual anti-trans base.

@ASugarr

Exactly! Thank you Soph. Plus they are against sexual health and relationship lessons in school.

Can I just, for the benefit of any lurkers, point out that this as a bald faced lie!

I'm just saying that it seems irrelevant.

Well some LGB people don't agree, and want something that represents their right to same sex orientations and homosexuality, and speaks for those holding sex based beliefs, who are very unhappy (and I'm one of them) about stuff like 'lesbians should learn to cope' with sex with male people who identify as female.

I mean where do you start with a statement that awful?!

But look. I am never going to agree with you that TWAW, or that I should stop thinking in sex based ways and needing sex based rights. I don't expect to convince you of my way of thinking either.

The answer here is mutual tolerance and respect. Facilities and resources for those with sex based beliefs, facilities and resources for those with gender based beliefs. And so long as one doesn't try to trample the other out of existence, there's no problem.

This does mean accepting that some female only spaces cannot be commandeered and need to be left for females who need them, and that some LGB groups and resources are not going to follow gender ideology rules or focus on and centre the T. And that some things existing that are not owned by and conforming to a particular political view are not intolerable. All needs met.

What LGB Alliance say about conversion therapy:

Our Asks:

1. Comprehensive research with clear definitions We call on government to conduct research to discover the extent and manifestation of conversion therapy, and why it happens. This must also establish an accurate definition of what conversion therapy is, as well as what it is not. This needs to include consultation with all relevant stakeholder groups.
2. Enforce existing legislation and guidance We call on government to enforce any existing legislation that can be used to help #EndConversionTherapy. Government also needs to enforce the existing guidance for schools to avoid misinformation that may lead children to believe either their personality or their body is in need of changing.
3. Investment in transgender healthcare We call on government to invest in the provision of more high-quality psychotherapy for minors presenting with gender dysphoria, as well as reducing the waiting time before children can access this specialist support.

ASugarr
It's lesbophobic to lesbians who aren't same sex attracted.

Can you explain this to me?
Lesbians are same sex attracted. They are females who are attracted to other females.

This. Thank you for putting my thoughts in a better context (sorry I'm tired and can't keep up today). Exactly this. How can an organization actively want no Relationship and sex ed in schools and want conversion therapy to be legal and be a LGB charity?

Sugar, you can't just go around claiming that a charity is giving out false information and being deceitful, just because they have been given a very public legitimacy which conflicts with your belief system.

It's not on.

@YouSetTheTone

ASugarr It's lesbophobic to lesbians who aren't same sex attracted.

Can you explain this to me?
Lesbians are same sex attracted. They are females who are attracted to other females.

Well what is a female? Someone born female? Because if that is the case then no. There are many people who are born female with other females and aren't lesbians.

I teach RSE so I can't go into too much detail

I would have thought the opposite! Are you not an expert on the subject you teach then?

Still waiting on answer to *LangCleg's" question. Why is that you want to take away support from LG&B people?

I am bemused why anybody thinks that LGBA should concern themselves with the wishes and desires of Trans people.

Diabetes UK do not concern themselves with cancer diagnoses.

Each charity worries about and campaigns for its own interest group.

There are multiple charities that overlap on cancer but they do not try to get each other shut down.

I do wonder why certain charities are so scared that LGBA now has a legally recognised voice.

@ASugarr

Exactly! Thank you Soph. Plus they are against sexual health and relationship lessons in school.

They have opinions on CONTENT.

How does someone develop such black and white thinking? Prejudice ASugarr, you have lots of unexamined prejudice. You would do better if you thought about your visceral reaction to people that think differently to you.

Try reading this from a gay man as you seem resistant to what women say to you.

emjaymurphee.medium.com/why-gay-men-wont-date-trans-men-a6daf1bbd51a

@Datun

Sugar, you can't just go around claiming that a charity is giving out false information and being deceitful, just because they have been given a very public legitimacy which conflicts with your belief system.

It's not on.

It's not that it goes against my beliefs. It's that they literally create false information. The information they've made against RSE is all false. RSE education helps the community and young people so much!

Also highly important that LGB people not agreeing with or willing to conform to gender ideological beliefs, whose needs cannot be met within that political position, have a voice that is heard by govt and other agencies so it is known that groups such as Stonewall not only don't speak for ALL LGBT people, but sometimes actively speak against the beliefs, feelings and needs of some LGBT people.

I do get that Stonewall would much prefer that such people didn't exist, and that those people having a voice is a problem for their achieving their aims, but democracy. Fairness. Inclusion. Diversity. Integrity. Tolerance.

They're actively campaigning AGAINST the bill to ban conversion therapy.

Define conversion therapy. Does it include thoughtful therapy, counselling and watchful waiting?

I teach RSE so I can't go into too much detail, however the claims they make on what is taught is false. They try to make it out that we only talk about transgender people and gender but we don't. Hardly at all. Holy Shit! I hope to god you are making that up! And you can go into as much detail as you like. RSE is not a state secret. It is supposed to be publicly available set of lesson plans.

DSis does teach RSE, in primary. And she has had to complain and reject a couple of toolkits, thankfully she now has the law behind her. She stopped 'being nice' at the Genderbread person.

I used to teach a version RSE, at FE. The debates were always wide ranging, often angry and loud, but always based in science, whilst appreciating the faith based opinions of some.