LGB Alliance is now a registered charity

[OhHolyJesus]

It took over a year...

"LGBA applied to register as a charity in March 2020. Its purposes are to promote equality and diversity and human rights.
The test of charity status is set out in law. A charity is an organisation with exclusively charitable purposes for the public benefit, that is subject to the jurisdiction of the High Court of England and Wales. If it meets these legal tests, it will be entered on the charity register.
It is not the Commission’s role to make value judgements about the aims or ideas put forward by any organisation. Instead, its role is to decide whether an organisation’s purposes fall within the legal definition of charity.
The Commission received a number of objections to the registration of LGBA as a charity. It carefully considered these as part of making its decision. In handling this application, the Commission has had regard to the Public Sector Equality Duty.
Registered charities fall under the Commission’s regulation, and their trustees must continuously meet the legal duties and responsibilities set down under charity law. A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.
The full decision, explaining the grounds for registering the organisation and the objections that were considered, can be found on GOV.UKK_"

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-confirms-registration-of-lgb-alliance

Read @ASugarr read!

As I said, none so blind...

@Leafstamp

ASugarr

Have you actually looked at the LGBA website? They hold regular events and webinars and are running several campaigns.

Okay, but where's the help? Where's the physical support? Also where is the respect for transgender people? Where's that? Because that isn't possible to find.

@Erkrie

transwomen according to the OED.

Designating a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond to that person's sex at birth, or which does not otherwise conform to conventional notions of sex and gender

A legal fiction may be created for a minority. Of course for the rest, there is no reassignment, no GRC, and no legal fiction.

Look up the definition of legal fiction.
It may surprise you.

Always best to check what it says right?

You are the one who says they stick to the dictionary. That's what you said and that's what I gave to you. Not my fault you didn't check beforehand.

But the reason they don't is because it isn't necessarily true. For example, if a cis lesbian were to date a trans man. They won't be lesbian. We're talking post op, hormones, the whole thing. I don't know any lesbian couple where a cis woman is with a trans man and labels their sexuality as lesbian. People are same sex attracted, understood. However those people then aren't attracted to trans people (even though they may be the same sex). Doesn't make sense to me.

This reply doesn’t make any sense to me.

Who and what does the “they don’t” refer to?

And we’re not talking about these random hypothetical scenarios. We’re talking about actual biologically female people who are only attracted to other biologically female people. Which is a real phenomenon, whether that makes sense to you or not. Those women exist. They have done forever. And they have been persecuted and punished for it forever too.

You seek to deny those people the right to have the same kind of representation and support that you yourself can access.

How is that not lesbophobic?

It's very clear from their actions that they don't think the rights should be balanced. And supporters also don't.

Neither do Stonewall. They want to try and remove single sex exemptions from the EA. Those exemptions exist to protect women and girls.

So let's try again, are you able to answer the following ASugarr

Why do you want to stop people, who experience their sexuality differently from you, from having support from an organisation that centres and supports them?

Also where is the respect for transgender people? Where's that? Because that isn't possible to find. If you came to my house looking for sprouts you wouldn't find any,. This is a sprout free house!

You don't actually have a point. As has been said a few times on this thread alone.

It's very clear from their actions that they don't think the rights should be balanced. And supporters also don't.

I am a supporter and that is exactly what I think, that rights should be balanced.

I went to a presentation Bev gave and that's exactly what she said.

Young females should get the chance to understand same sex attraction is valid and that same gender attraction is not THE ONLY way. Stonewall promoted the view that is bigoted and transphobic to not be same gender attracted.

Stonewall supporters think the same about heterosexual attraction too, that straight people are transphobic. You seem to also as you were upset about superstraight, a light hearted meme about heterosexuality.

You are in a place where you think the sexuality of the majority of the planet is bigoted and transphobic and hate.

Bit of a strange place to end up?

You are the one who says they stick to the dictionary. That's what you said and that's what I gave to you. Not my fault you didn't check beforehand.

It doesn't say transwomen are women. 🤣

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark

But the reason they don't is because it isn't necessarily true. For example, if a cis lesbian were to date a trans man. They won't be lesbian. We're talking post op, hormones, the whole thing. I don't know any lesbian couple where a cis woman is with a trans man and labels their sexuality as lesbian. People are same sex attracted, understood. However those people then aren't attracted to trans people (even though they may be the same sex). Doesn't make sense to me.

This reply doesn’t make any sense to me.

Who and what does the “they don’t” refer to?

And we’re not talking about these random hypothetical scenarios. We’re talking about actual biologically female people who are only attracted to other biologically female people. Which is a real phenomenon, whether that makes sense to you or not. Those women exist. They have done forever. And they have been persecuted and punished for it forever too.

You seek to deny those people the right to have the same kind of representation and support that you yourself can access.

How is that not lesbophobic?

It's lesbophobic to lesbians who aren't same sex attracted.

Exactly. There's no need for a whole alliance on this. Plus if that's what they stand for, bisexual people wouldn't be included. Because bisexual people don't just like those of the same sex. Although it's what they try and present as their ethos, it really isn't. Which is why many bisexual people (like myself) disagree with the organization.

Of course bisexual people are included! They are attracted to people on the basis of their sex. Hence bisexual.

It's offensive that you claim there is no such thing as a sexual orientation based on sex, when quite literally millions of people not only have one, but have fought, tooth and nail, for their current legitimacy.

Here’s a link to their campaigns, for anyone who is thinking of donating or getting involved

lgballiance.org.uk/campaigns/ - examples include campaigns against conversion therapy, and around RSE in schools.

And here’s a link to their events

lgballiance.org.uk/events/

There is, of course, still a global pandemic, so they’ve been subject to the same restrictions on in person events as all other organisations,

@Datun

Exactly. There's no need for a whole alliance on this. Plus if that's what they stand for, bisexual people wouldn't be included. Because bisexual people don't just like those of the same sex. Although it's what they try and present as their ethos, it really isn't. Which is why many bisexual people (like myself) disagree with the organization.

Of course bisexual people are included! They are attracted to people on the basis of their sex. Hence bisexual.

It's offensive that you claim there is no such thing as a sexual orientation based on sex, when quite literally millions of people not only have one, but have fought, tooth and nail, for their current legitimacy.

I never once said that there is no such thing as a sexual orientation based on sex. But what I am denying is that no everyone's sexual preference is based on sex.

@Sophoclesthefox

Here’s a link to their campaigns, for anyone who is thinking of donating or getting involved

lgballiance.org.uk/campaigns/ - examples include campaigns against conversion therapy, and around RSE in schools.

And here’s a link to their events

lgballiance.org.uk/events/

There is, of course, still a global pandemic, so they’ve been subject to the same restrictions on in person events as all other organisations,

I've read the first link before and honestly it's disgusting. And again events about what? For who? Where's the actual support and help?

@Erkrie

You are the one who says they stick to the dictionary. That's what you said and that's what I gave to you. Not my fault you didn't check beforehand.

It doesn't say transwomen are women. 🤣

The dictionary defines a transgender woman as "a transgender person who has transitioned from male to female". And since you believe all adult human females are women then trans women are women.

There's no need for a whole alliance on this.

You get to decide what LGB people can set up or not set up for themselves, and what they feel they need? Seriously?

It's lesbophobic to lesbians who aren't same sex attracted

And this is exactly why LGB Alliance are so badly needed.

I've read the first link before and honestly it's disgusting. Oh, go on. Break the habit. Tell us why?

@MichelleofzeResistance

There's no need for a whole alliance on this.

You get to decide what LGB people can set up or not set up for themselves, and what they feel they need? Seriously?

I'm just saying that it seems irrelevant. Especially considering all this group talks about is transgender people which they apparently respect.

It doesn't say that ASugarr. Look again.

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I never once said that there is no such thing as a sexual orientation based on sex. But what I am denying is that no everyone's sexual preference is based on sex.

Almost the entire world has a sexual orientation which is based on sex. And you have just said that there is no need for an LGB alliance!

An organisation supporting sexual orientation based on sex.

I see the continued false allegations and smears of lesbian-led charity LGB Alliance are continuing on this thread.

Its a long way from civil discussion.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

I've read the first link before and honestly it's disgusting. Oh, go on. Break the habit. Tell us why?

What they try to present around RSE and such is false.

That's once round the roundabout too many for me. I lost track...

The non sequiteurs proliferate as usual!

Rather than have the TWAW/TWANW debate here, which would be going over old ground and can sometime lead to deletions and derails, maybe instead you could answer LangCleg's question please @ASugarr - the one I've repeated twice above.