LGB Alliance is now a registered charity

[OhHolyJesus]

It took over a year...

"LGBA applied to register as a charity in March 2020. Its purposes are to promote equality and diversity and human rights.
The test of charity status is set out in law. A charity is an organisation with exclusively charitable purposes for the public benefit, that is subject to the jurisdiction of the High Court of England and Wales. If it meets these legal tests, it will be entered on the charity register.
It is not the Commission’s role to make value judgements about the aims or ideas put forward by any organisation. Instead, its role is to decide whether an organisation’s purposes fall within the legal definition of charity.
The Commission received a number of objections to the registration of LGBA as a charity. It carefully considered these as part of making its decision. In handling this application, the Commission has had regard to the Public Sector Equality Duty.
Registered charities fall under the Commission’s regulation, and their trustees must continuously meet the legal duties and responsibilities set down under charity law. A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.
The full decision, explaining the grounds for registering the organisation and the objections that were considered, can be found on GOV.UKK_"

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-confirms-registration-of-lgb-alliance

Okay that's great. Doesn't mean someone sexuality is invalid because you or the government believes it to be.

It means that homosexuality is protected by law. And the equality act explains exactly what it's based on. Sex.

Stonewall misrepresent that. Hence why feminist groups have had to get gender removed from erroneous lists of protected characteristics.

transitioned has a particular meaning though. It is a description of a change of identity which has very limited impact.

meaning they are a woman
Nope, because gender is not the same thing as biological sex (immutable, remember?).

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark

I just want to look at some facts.

There are lesbians and gay men whose sexual orientation is exclusively same-sex.

Those lesbians and gay men no longer feel represented by Stonewall or any other “LGBT” charity/org because of genderist ideology that only recognises same-gender attraction.

Some bisexual people are also alienated by this genderist approach and similarly don’t feel it accurately reflects or represents them/their sexuality.

All these people felt marginalised and silenced within what was supposed to be their community.

A number of these people attempted to initiate a dialogue with Stonewall. They wanted to address the issue so that they too could feel represented by an organisation that was ostensibly for them.

Stonewall refused point blank to entertain this dialogue.

Having tried, and failed, to effect change from within, these people decided it was time to create their own organisation that would indeed reflect and represent them. One that would be founded on an understanding of homosexuality being literally same-sex attraction.

The LGB Alliance was born. Many other LGB people who felt similarly marginalised and silenced within the “LGBT community” were hugely relieved at this, and were very happy to be able to support this new venture.

Many from the “LGBT community” did their best to thwart this venture, despite the fact it was serving large numbers of people who felt unrepresented by Stonewall. They apparently wanted those people to be left without a voice, without a means of collectively organising, without any representation.

They tried to stop the LGBA from gaining charitable status, smearing it as a “hate group”.

They failed, as there was no substance to their allegations.

So now we have a group of people who weren’t represented or heard within Stonewall or other “LGBT” orgs who have created their own org.

And Stonewall and others who are happy to be under the LGBT umbrella are absolutely sick about it, and have now set about trying to get the group’s charitable status revoked. They would probably like to have the group banned altogether if that were possible.

Those are the facts.

What is this about if not control?

ASugarr, you have organisations that represent you and how you see/experience your sexuality. You are happy with them. That’s great. No one is trying to take that away from you.

So why do you want to stop other people, who experience their sexuality differently from you, from having the same thing? An organisation that centres and supports them. Why do you want to take that away from them? How is that not homophobic towards those people whose sexual orientation is exclusively same sex?

But the reason they don't is because it isn't necessarily true. For example, if a cis lesbian were to date a trans man. They won't be lesbian. We're talking post op, hormones, the whole thing. I don't know any lesbian couple where a cis woman is with a trans man and labels their sexuality as lesbian. People are same sex attracted, understood. However those people then aren't attracted to trans people (even though they may be the same sex). Doesn't make sense to me.

@theThreeofWeevils

meaning they are a woman Nope, because gender is not the same thing as biological sex (immutable, remember?).

Well according to the dictionary they are so that must be what E was talking about.

Very clear explanation, talking, thank you.

ASugarr, you can believe identity takes precedence and others can believe that rights and opinions should be balanced,

LGB Alliance are a charity for the second. It is a fair and reasonable proposition.
Why are you so prejudiced against people that believe rights should be balanced?

I don't know any lesbian couple where a cis woman is with a trans man and labels their sexuality as lesbian.

How big was the sample size in this research of yours?

But the reason they don't is because it isn't necessarily true. For example, if a cis lesbian were to date a trans man. They won't be lesbian. We're talking post op, hormones, the whole thing. I don't know any lesbian couple where a cis woman is with a trans man and labels their sexuality as lesbian. People are same sex attracted, understood. However those people then aren't attracted to trans people (even though they may be the same sex). Doesn't make sense to me.

People can personally call themselves what they like. What they can't do is take a word that already has a meaning in language and in law, and claim it means something else.

@Scepticaltank

ASugarr, you can believe identity takes precedence and others can believe that rights and opinions should be balanced,

LGB Alliance are a charity for the second. It is a fair and reasonable proposition.
Why are you so prejudiced against people that believe rights should be balanced?

It's very clear from their actions that they don't think the rights should be balanced. And supporters also don't.

People can personally call themselves what they like. What they can't do is take a word that already has a meaning in language and in law, and claim it means something else.

I'd like to put this on a sticker.

@ASugarr

Earlier in this thread you said to the mother of a lesbian:
your daughter has the right to choose what she wishes when it comes to her support.

You also include in a number of your posts, sentences akin to 'if that's what you believe, then cool'

TalkingtoLangCleg has asked you:
why do you want to stop other people, who experience their sexuality differently from you, from having the same thing? An organisation that centres and supports them. Why do you want to take that away from them?

Are you able to answer the question and reconcile the contradiction?

@Datun

But the reason they don't is because it isn't necessarily true. For example, if a cis lesbian were to date a trans man. They won't be lesbian. We're talking post op, hormones, the whole thing. I don't know any lesbian couple where a cis woman is with a trans man and labels their sexuality as lesbian. People are same sex attracted, understood. However those people then aren't attracted to trans people (even though they may be the same sex). Doesn't make sense to me.

People can personally call themselves what they like. What they can't do is take a word that already has a meaning in language and in law, and claim it means something else.

Exactly. There's no need for a whole alliance on this. Plus if that's what they stand for, bisexual people wouldn't be included. Because bisexual people don't just like those of the same sex. Although it's what they try and present as their ethos, it really isn't. Which is why many bisexual people (like myself) disagree with the organization.

emjaymurphee.medium.com/why-gay-men-wont-date-trans-men-a6daf1bbd51a

An interesting article.

trans woman as "a transgender person who has transitioned from male to female"
ASugar, all that definition really does is clarify the direction of change of identification. I think you would find that people with no particular interest in or exposure to identity issues, if asked to define a trans man would actually describe a trans woman. And the use of transgender clearly excludes any actual (impossible, remember?) change of biological sex.

[quote Leafstamp]@ASugarr

Earlier in this thread you said to the mother of a lesbian:
your daughter has the right to choose what she wishes when it comes to her support.

You also include in a number of your posts, sentences akin to 'if that's what you believe, then cool'

TalkingtoLangCleg has asked you:
why do you want to stop other people, who experience their sexuality differently from you, from having the same thing? An organisation that centres and supports them. Why do you want to take that away from them?

Are you able to answer the question and reconcile the contradiction?[/quote]
Because where does that organisation actually reach out and do anything for others, other than on their twitter platform? They don't actually do anything in terms of support and care. They are there to push their views. Which is fine but not everyone agrees with their views.

@theThreeofWeevils

trans woman as "a transgender person who has transitioned from male to female" ASugar, all that definition really does is clarify the direction of change of identification. I think you would find that people with no particular interest in or exposure to identity issues, if asked to define a trans man would actually describe a trans woman. And the use of transgender clearly excludes any actual (impossible, remember?) change of biological sex.

Hey, I'm not the one who says they stick to the dictionary definitions.

Equality Act 2010
Sexual orientation is one of the nine protected characteristics.

UK Government
Commentary on Sections
Part 2: Equality: Key Concepts
Chapter 1: Protected characteristics
(extract)
"Section 12: Sexual orientation
Effect
55.This section defines the protected characteristic of sexual orientation as being a person’s sexual orientation towards:

people of the same sex as him or her (in other words the person is a gay man or a lesbian)

people of the opposite sex from him or her (the person is heterosexual)

people of both sexes (the person is bisexual).

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/12/notes

Here’s what LGB Alliance say:

Myth: LGB Alliance is transphobic and is seeking to erase trans people
Truth: We fully support trans people in their struggle, for dignity, respect and a life lived free from bigotry and fear. We don’t hate trans people and we don’t wish to see them erased. The issues and priorities for people who are attracted to the same sex (homosexual/bisexual) are different from those of transgender people, and so, with a number of organisations focused on trans people and trans issues, our focus is on lesbians, gay men, and bisexual people and their issues.
To read more about what we believe and how we work, go to: lgballiance.org.uk/about

And this, from their “values” page:

Respect
We engage with others respectfully. We discuss, propose, and oppose ideas; we do not attack individuals. Disagreement does not equal hate. We do not condone, endorse, or encourage any abusive or discriminatory behaviour towards any group or individual.

@Sophoclesthefox

Here’s what LGB Alliance say:

Myth: LGB Alliance is transphobic and is seeking to erase trans people
Truth: We fully support trans people in their struggle, for dignity, respect and a life lived free from bigotry and fear. We don’t hate trans people and we don’t wish to see them erased. The issues and priorities for people who are attracted to the same sex (homosexual/bisexual) are different from those of transgender people, and so, with a number of organisations focused on trans people and trans issues, our focus is on lesbians, gay men, and bisexual people and their issues.
To read more about what we believe and how we work, go to: lgballiance.org.uk/about

And this, from their “values” page:

Respect
We engage with others respectfully. We discuss, propose, and oppose ideas; we do not attack individuals. Disagreement does not equal hate. We do not condone, endorse, or encourage any abusive or discriminatory behaviour towards any group or individual.

Yet where have they shown that. I'd love to see examples of where they've actually achieved this. At all.

Well, you've been given actual examples, as opposed to the twitter opnions you seem to favour!

None so blind, it seems!

*SOME people MIGHT, that should be

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Well, you've been given actual examples, as opposed to the twitter opnions you seem to favour!

None so blind, it seems!

What examples?

ASugarr

Have you actually looked at the LGBA website? They hold regular events and webinars and are running several campaigns.

transwomen according to the OED.

Designating a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond to that person's sex at birth, or which does not otherwise conform to conventional notions of sex and gender

A legal fiction may be created for a minority. Of course for the rest, there is no reassignment, no GRC, and no legal fiction.

Look up the definition of legal fiction.
It may surprise you.

Always best to check what it says right?