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LGB Alliance is now a registered charity

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OhHolyJesus · 20/04/2021 12:38

It took over a year...

"LGBA applied to register as a charity in March 2020. Its purposes are to promote equality and diversity and human rights.
The test of charity status is set out in law. A charity is an organisation with exclusively charitable purposes for the public benefit, that is subject to the jurisdiction of the High Court of England and Wales. If it meets these legal tests, it will be entered on the charity register.
It is not the Commission’s role to make value judgements about the aims or ideas put forward by any organisation. Instead, its role is to decide whether an organisation’s purposes fall within the legal definition of charity.
The Commission received a number of objections to the registration of LGBA as a charity. It carefully considered these as part of making its decision. In handling this application, the Commission has had regard to the Public Sector Equality Duty.
Registered charities fall under the Commission’s regulation, and their trustees must continuously meet the legal duties and responsibilities set down under charity law. A charity can promote the rights of one or more specific groups, but may not do so whilst demeaning or denigrating the rights of others, including on social media – and the Commission will consider taking regulatory action where that occurs.
The full decision, explaining the grounds for registering the organisation and the objections that were considered, can be found on GOV.UKK_"

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-confirms-registration-of-lgb-alliance

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2021 19:42

Btw, I think I know why that Liam bloke doesn't like MN - some of us might have mocked him a bit for calling himself 'Dr' on the strength of an honorary degree. Very poor form.)

Oh dear. The fragile male ego.

persistentwoman · 20/04/2021 19:43

As a lesbian I am pleased to see an organisation standing up for women's rights to same sex relationships. Makes a change from the relentless misogynists telling women that we must sleep with any male who self identifies as a woman or we're transphobic.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 20/04/2021 19:43

ASugarr

Okay that's great however they are supporting a homophobic organisation.

The Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Alliance are a homophobic organisation? Really? How?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2021 19:43

There's plenty of evidence on it being a hate group.

Please post some then.

Erkrie · 20/04/2021 19:44

There's plenty of evidence on it being a hate group. Don't think it will last long as a charity.

Is it? Post your evidence then.

ASugarr · 20/04/2021 19:44

twitter.com/GcHomophobia/status/1330813550156189696?s=19 Here's a bunch of information on their previous statements. Let's also not forget they are anti-abortion, pro-conversion therapy, Biphobic, the people involved are all connected to anti-LGB religious groups and so much more.

Soontobe60 · 20/04/2021 19:44

However they have proven to be homophobic to it's own community numerous times. Hopefully they will receive all the appeals to their choice today and listen to the community

Could you please show me what they have done / said that is homophobic?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2021 19:44

Or we'll all be forced to conclude that there isn't any evidence. Let's see what the damning tweets/blog posts are.

yourhairiswinterfire · 20/04/2021 19:45

As part of that community. It isn't.

I know plenty of people who are part of that community (my brother and his boyfriend included...they must have somehow missed the ''homophobia''. Got any links?) They support LGBA wholeheartedly and are really happy with the news today :)

What you mean is, LGBA don't speak for you, and that's okay. That doesn't mean they can't speak for the people who support them, though. They're perfectly entitled to, as the Charity Commission confirmed.

R0wantrees · 20/04/2021 19:45

Lachlan Stuart,

"The Usual Suspects take note: bigotry is not a good look.

Here's an objective summary following investigation. ALL your objections are found to be unconvincing or insufficient.

A public benefit, consistent with law and policy.
twitter.com/Lachlan_Edi/status/1384539195012751362

John Nicolson MSP, who routinely and publicly refers to the LGB Alliance as 'sinister', ought to take note.

Libel and slander are actionable.

So, too, should any publisher - and that includes all of you, dear Tweeters - referring to LGB Alliance as a hate group.

'Hate Groups' don't get registered by the Charity Commission and on my estimate you'd find it hard to persuade any judge in the land otherwise.

It's perfectly fine to disagree with LGB Alliance, its trustees or its supporters, in general or on specifics. I do, in several respects, and I've told them so. They and I are all cool with that.

What is not OK is the bullying, harassment and libel of decent, committed and principled lesbians with a long history of actions and words in support of all our liberation.

Bev, Kate. Others, too.

Well done. x"

ASugarr · 20/04/2021 19:46

@yourhairiswinterfire

As part of that community. It isn't.

I know plenty of people who are part of that community (my brother and his boyfriend included...they must have somehow missed the ''homophobia''. Got any links?) They support LGBA wholeheartedly and are really happy with the news today :)

What you mean is, LGBA don't speak for you, and that's okay. That doesn't mean they can't speak for the people who support them, though. They're perfectly entitled to, as the Charity Commission confirmed.

So if they speak for you are you against abortion? For conversion therapy? And more?
Sophoclesthefox · 20/04/2021 19:47

If it’s not OK to have a group that separates the T from the LGB, then why is it ok to have Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence, Gires, Press for Change, All About Trans, The Beaumont Society, Trans Media Watch, Action on Trans Health, Sparkle, Scottish Trans Alliance etc. Who have no mandate for working on LGB issues?

Do they hate gay, lesbian and bisexual people? Why don’t they work for them?

Why is there no room in the market for a charity specifically focusing on LGB people, where the6 feel that their needs are not being met elsewhere?

RabbitOfCaerbannog · 20/04/2021 19:47

If the complaints are about funding, discrimination and political motivation/activity then all of those complaints can be levelled at Stonewall. There are donors like The Arcus Foundation with their highly political agenda - which includes advocating for male born individuals who've committed atrocious crimes to be housed in US prisons - there's the active political campaign to undermine women's sex based rights by advocating for self-ID and encouraging organisations to misrepresent the equality act so that gender is recorded as a protected characteristic rather than sex, a highly discriminatory campaign the tentacles of which reach far and wide in our institutions. Then there's the insidious influence over our legislature with power to call the shots even via members of the Women's and Equality Committee. There are few more political organisations committed to undermining women's rights in the UK.

ASugarr · 20/04/2021 19:47

@Sophoclesthefox

If it’s not OK to have a group that separates the T from the LGB, then why is it ok to have Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence, Gires, Press for Change, All About Trans, The Beaumont Society, Trans Media Watch, Action on Trans Health, Sparkle, Scottish Trans Alliance etc. Who have no mandate for working on LGB issues?

Do they hate gay, lesbian and bisexual people? Why don’t they work for them?

Why is there no room in the market for a charity specifically focusing on LGB people, where the6 feel that their needs are not being met elsewhere?

Yet all those groups literally do support LGB issues. The LGB Alliance doesn't.
ErrolTheDragon · 20/04/2021 19:48

It's surely excellent news for the LGB community of people who are same sex attracted, including those attracted to both sexes. I can't really see why the 'TQ+ community" should be devastated - stonewall etc can give them their undivided attention, and I suppose explicitly support people who are homogenderal. It all seems a bit dog in the manger-ish.

ASugarr · 20/04/2021 19:50

drive.google.com/file/d/1g0GUiTGdV1fJJmyblOc4TT4x1ndV7atH/view

Here's a google drive link to all the negativity LGBA are apart of.

OhHolyJesus · 20/04/2021 19:50

I remember back to the heady days of 2019 when news of the LGB Alliance forming reached me and I thought how properly brave it was. Not just the word brave, it was actually really brave to launch at a time when it was really dark times. And then there was light.

They have been under attack since day 1, from the crowdfunders being halted to the court case.

Now there are differing opinions but what LGB Alliance did was spark people into action. There are now LGB Alliance orgs in

Ireland
Canada
Spain
Brazil
Norway
Australia
and US

To count but a few.

twitter.com/alliancelgb/status/1292730395088367616?s=21

It only takes a few of us to join together, to make a difference, goodness knows we've seen single issue groups grow exponentially.

Sure Twitter will cry about it but it doesn't really matter. It's done now.

By all means people should complain and take all necessary steps in that process if they feel that passionately about it, but revoking a decision announced hours ago is unlikely, based on the thorough assessment they already completed.

It's rather arrogant actually to consider that process flawed with nothing but an opinion to base it in. I hope the charity commission staff aren't going to be in receipt of death threats.

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SapphosRock · 20/04/2021 19:50

I am a lesbian and genuinely thought the LGB Alliance was a hate group for ages. Pink news etc call it a hate group and I believed it.

So one of two things are happening.

  1. It's a hate group
  1. It's been the target of a smear campaign by TRAs who feel threatened by LGB people looking after their own interests. This was the conclusion of the charity commission.

This below is one of their aims. I can see why TRAs would not be happy about it and would try and convince lesbians it's hateful which in my mind makes it even more important:

We amplify the voices of lesbians and highlight the dual discrimination experienced by lesbians as women who are same-sex attracted in a male-dominated society.

AaronStampler · 20/04/2021 19:50

ASugarr - you've presented a lot of vague allegations, but no actual evidence. No one on here is going to find that even remotely persuasive. Perhaps you could quote just one homophobic thing the LGB Alliance has said?

ASugarr · 20/04/2021 19:51

@AaronStampler

ASugarr - you've presented a lot of vague allegations, but no actual evidence. No one on here is going to find that even remotely persuasive. Perhaps you could quote just one homophobic thing the LGB Alliance has said?
I've just linked all the allegations.

drive.google.com/file/d/1g0GUiTGdV1fJJmyblOc4TT4x1ndV7atH/view

Biscuitsanddoombar · 20/04/2021 19:51

What has abortion got to do with this??

titchy · 20/04/2021 19:51

@ASugarr

There's plenty of evidence on it being a hate group. Don't think it will last long as a charity.
And yet it's received support from all over. Including now the CC. So i suspect it's here to stay. And why not. Another charity that supports lesbians. What's not to love.

Out of interest @ASugarr (and feel
Free not to answer - you don't owe me or anyone here an answer) but in what way are you a part of the LGB community, and are you trans?

ASugarr · 20/04/2021 19:51

@Biscuitsanddoombar

What has abortion got to do with this??
Read what they stand for and you'll understand
ASugarr · 20/04/2021 19:52

I'm not transgender. I am a bisexual cisgender woman

titchy · 20/04/2021 19:54

@ASugarr

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g0GUiTGdV1fJJmyblOc4TT4x1ndV7atH/view

Here's a google drive link to all the negativity LGBA are apart of.

How is stating that lgbt clubs in schools are impacting negatively on girls homophobic Confused
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