Jameela Jamil just tweeted this....

[GizmoBasil]

She's mainly being pulled apart in the comments due to, you know, lying.

No doubt in my mind that she's getting puberty blockers and the contraceptive pill mixed up.

Such a shame as I have been following her since my early 20's and found her feminism very accessible back then.

Am I being unreasonable to say she's talking nonsense??

@WarriorN

Use for precious puberty would be much younger than 10/11 that she seems to be talking about. Even 9 wouldn't be using pbs.

A child of 5,6,7 wouldn't know what periods were let alone that "loads of girls were on pbs for heavy periods."

Yes.

I can imagine a young jameela getting confused between girls on PB at 6 and 7 and teens on the pill at 13/14, because on one level both scenarios are to control periods.

But Jameela is now in her mid 30, she shouldn't be confused. At least she is now linking periods to girls, so she is learning.

www.endometriosis-uk.org/endometriosis-facts-and-figures

According to this website , it takes an.average of 7.5 years to receive a dx of endo.

Unlikely anyone in primary school would have one. Probably applies to secondary schools too.

Thanks Datun. I feel like I’m banging the drum a bit sometimes, but I can’t let it lie.

One thing to note is that I have yet to have, in all the times that I have mentioned it, a trans ally say to me “I’m sorry you went through that. I understand now what your misgivings are”. Not one sincere expression of sympathy, not once. Isn’t that interesting?

Other fun facts about endo. It can only be formally diagnosed via laparoscopy. And it does not necessarily cause heavy periods. Using GNRHa solely for heavy periods would be like burning your house down because you don’t like the kitchen.

So yeah, Jameela- pants on fire, mate.

Just reading the reies on Twitter...she should just admit she was wrong and confused PB and the contraceptive pill.

@LastRoloIsMine

Just reading the reies on Twitter...she should just admit she was wrong and confused PB and the contraceptive pill.

She won't. She has form for "muting the transphobes now" when she gets answers that show up her lies.

ChiefBabySniffer

Sophocles

Horrendously difficult reads. I cannot imagine any young person taking these. I remember reading a mother’s story of her teenaged ftm transition with PB. The menopausal symptoms were horrendous for that person who was still effectively a child. I am concerned by any person who minimises the effects of these drugs.

The handwaving away of ‘they are just the effects of the drugs’ is chilling. To be fair, I tend to associate this handwaving away with people only looking at the drugs from a male perspective (ie: usually males talking about males taking them) or people willing to throw female health under the bus.

Shocking though, when they do it in the name of feminism.

@Helleofabore

ChiefBabySniffer

Sophocles

Horrendously difficult reads. I cannot imagine any young person taking these. I remember reading a mother’s story of her teenaged ftm transition with PB. The menopausal symptoms were horrendous for that person who was still effectively a child. I am concerned by any person who minimises the effects of these drugs.

The handwaving away of ‘they are just the effects of the drugs’ is chilling. To be fair, I tend to associate this handwaving away with people only looking at the drugs from a male perspective (ie: usually males talking about males taking them) or people willing to throw female health under the bus.

Shocking though, when they do it in the name of feminism.

It is shocking. That's what happens when a person is blinded by ideology.

She’s thick as mince and shameless. Imagine leaving your (as best mis informed , at worst down right lie) for the world to see after you’ve had your arse so comprehensively handed to you.

On the other hand she’s an amazing actress, because the character she played in The Good Place isn’t as think, shallow, vapid, superficial and self obsessed as she is, so well played,

I have a general rule - never listen to actors you love talking in real life.

I noticed this story today. Strange how concerned doctors are about the ability of this 23 year old to consent to treatment.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56737353

It is shocking. That's what happens when a person is blinded by ideology. So true, transbadger, so true.

What I find appalling is the deliberate twisting and obfuscation that they deliberately employ, let alone the contradictions which are legion.

The bollocks is strong with this one

She's being thick or lying. Sadly she is afflicted with both so who knows on this occasion

What I find appalling is the deliberate twisting and obfuscation that they deliberately employ, let alone the contradictions which are legion

I also find it strange how you cant disagree with a single aspect if there's even a remote connection.

If you took anything else you'd find varying degrees of investment. Take say animal.rights and vegetarianism etc you have a huge wide range of views ranging from those who eat small amounts of ethically produced meat right through to the militant vegans who don't even wear make up etc

There is of course lots people will disagree on but also alot of points each party will be able to understand even if they disagree.

Many of those who are pro life will say that they don't wish to ban abortion in all medical reason cases.

But this, you seem to have be able to have zero middle ground even when you have been shown cases of something clearly doing more harm.than good.

I also find it strange how you cant disagree with a single aspect if there's even a remote connection.

I often think this when I read some of these posts on MN from posters known to have come from Twitter. I look at it that some people are so heavily invested in supporting this movement, to the degree that it does come across as an ideological belief, that they cannot show any acknowledgement that they support even the aspects that are harmful.

When you are relying on affirmation from people on the internet, or even specifically from a social media platform, you cannot acknowledge when you may have been mistaken. You are not allowed nuanced thinking, only complete observance of the beliefs of the group.

We have heard this from detransitioners and transitioners alike. We have seen the 'cancel culture' come for allies. It must be very difficult to admit that you have found a crack in what you thought were rock solid foundations in the home you have sunk your entire self into.

Have any of her classmates ever come forward with comments? I can’t imagine she became a terrible attention seemed recently...

It must be very difficult to admit that you have found a crack in what you thought were rock solid foundations in the home you have sunk your entire self into

One would assume at the end of the day that really we are all on the same side. We all want well researched, safe, well communicated treatment that has plenty of research, follow up and documented benefits etc

I mean with many illnesses/conditions there are usually options aren't there ? I mean you do what's best for the individual patients based on the pros and cons of these options. You don't continue to prescribe treatments that are causing great harm.just because it uspets others who possibly never even took it.

Nothing we give or don't give kids now is an attack on anyone else's choices. It's about the patients. And those patients deserve the truth about what they are taking.

Hellofabore
You are not allowed nuanced thinking, only complete observance of the beliefs of the group.

I was raised in a strict religious family and it took years to de- programme myself. The parallels between some religious groups and this ideology are frightening. The MO is identical, only reading approved literatures, fierce condemnation of apostates, refusal to hear contrary views. Makes me uneasy to say the least.

One would assume at the end of the day that really we are all on the same side. We all want well researched, safe, well communicated treatment that has plenty of research, follow up and documented benefits etc

I remember almost an entire thread where a well entrenched poster could not see that no one was actually disagreeing with them on that point. Yet, the poster was oblivious to this as they were so deep in their prejudice about who the posters on MN were they really couldn't see.

It was a live demonstration of how prejudice for a forum, because of what you have given the controls of your own judgement to others, completely clouds judgement.

It was a live demonstration of how prejudice for a forum, because of what you have given the controls of your own judgement to others, completely clouds judgement

I think I remember that thread.

Ironically if you truly believed something youd surely be happy to allow the discussion, allow all aspects to be researched and considered knowing it will come back as being the right thing.

But yet we have children who even the Tavistock have shown have no improvement in their mental health after being given blockers amd the answer seems to be to make sure no one can say anything negative as opposed to looking at what else can be done that might help.

Its certainly not beneficial to anyone to be waiting months on ridiculously long waiting lists behind children who might not even need to be there.

If adults can transition without any form if alterations of their bodies or appearance then why is it imperative that all these children have access to puberty blockers.

@RoyalCorgi

Jameela Jamil is the one who's always being attacked by bees, isn't she?

Anyway, you wouldn't prescribe puberty blockers for heavy periods. You'd prescribe them for premature puberty. I'd be very surprised if there were lots of children at her school going through premature puberty.

The bees! 🐝🐝🐝 🤣

Interesting fact-check story on JJ -

https://www.instagram.com/s/aGlnaGxpZ2h0OjE4MDkzODgzODY0MDgzNjAz?storymediaa_id=2202800871422944895&igshid=1qqi77ic26eqs

@Whatwouldscullydo

If adults can transition without any form if alterations of their bodies or appearance then why is it imperative that all these children have access to puberty blockers.

Very good point! Just when I think I've wrapped my head around the lunacy of it all, someone says something else to make you think "Yes! Why the fuck is that the case?"

Her post is scarily misinformed.
She's talking gobbledegook.

@Helleofabore and @alkanet

It must be very difficult to admit that you have found a crack in what you thought were rock solid foundations in the home you have sunk your entire self into.

For anyone who might be interested I recommend watching Joe Rogan interviewing Megan Phelps-Roper, a young woman who left the infamous Westborough Baptist Church.

She explains the lightbulb moment that led to her leaving the church. Amazingly it was an exchange on Twitter with a man (who later became her husband) that led her to denouncing the church. She now travels the world speaking about her experiences and drawing parallels to cult group-think and current no-platforming and censor culture.

Really worth a watch.

🦡🌈🤍

Verygood point! Just when I think I've wrapped my head around the lunacy of it all, someone says something else to make you think "Yes! Why the fuck is that the case?"

We also seem to very often run in to the problem of the "right source"

There are many papers on here that are under constant criticism. That's why of we read a story we also perhaps view alternate stories and through picking apart what we know to be the journalists agenda or emphasis we can usually eventually piece together the story. But that involves being prepared to read things you don't necessarily agree with or like. We do however know that not everyone is wrong about everything all the time. I dont like trump however I'm.not going to argue the sky is green just because he said it was blue. You sometimes have to detach what's being said from who's saying it. Because if you are holding out for the perfect paper at the perfect time written by the perfect journalist on a.midnight on the 29tg if Feb at a full.moon and Venus in mercury you are going to have a very long wait and be very behind in developments.