Jameela Jamil just tweeted this....

[GizmoBasil]

She's mainly being pulled apart in the comments due to, you know, lying.

No doubt in my mind that she's getting puberty blockers and the contraceptive pill mixed up.

Such a shame as I have been following her since my early 20's and found her feminism very accessible back then.

Am I being unreasonable to say she's talking nonsense??

I went to an all girls school in the 90’s too. Girls were put on the pill for heavy painful periods. And one had to also take a various concoction of painkillers. Turns out she had very bad endo. But we were never referred for further investigation.

The pill is still the go to for girls suffering periods. I’ve had to fight for referrals to investigate the reason behind the heavy periods.

I thought she’d deleted her Twitter account last time after a ludicrous tweet.

What the NHS currently says about puberty blockers:

Puberty blockers (gonadotrophin-releasing hormone analogues) pause the physical changes of puberty, such as breast development or facial hair.

Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.

Although GIDS advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.

It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations.

www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

@ASugarr

Actually she isn't wrong. If taken correctly, they are reversible.

Source for that please.

The pill was also prescribed for spots. That's how I ended up on Dianette in the 90s. She's confused and wrong and that's why you shouldn't listen to what people say on Twatter.

It's a shame as a lot of young women and girls think she's great because of the body positivity thing but they don't see how it's just a bit IDK, styled.

gids.nhs.uk/puberty-and-physical-intervention

Here's the original website from those oh-so-boring cis-women who were trying to organise against Lupron, one of a number of puberty blockers.

Have a read of their side effects and tell me again that puberty blockers are reversible and the only people who have issues with giving them to children are anti-trans.
www.lupronvictimshub.com/

Wasn't there a previous discussion around the meaning of the word reversible and the medical and mainstream meanings being slightly but significantly different.

@ASugarr

Actually she isn't wrong. If taken correctly, they are reversible.

No. The lasting side effects from puberty blockers, such as Lupron, are quite well documented by now.

I suggest you do some research into the women who took them 10+ years ago for precocious puberty.

X post with lasagne.

There's a thread on a forum that I can't link (not a farming one) where they list all the dubious things with dates of things Jameela claims have happened to her. She really isn't the brightest spark.

@ASugarr

Actually she isn't wrong. If taken correctly, they are reversible.

It is reversible in the same sense that if you use drugs to put a baby in an induced coma for twenty years you can remove the drugs and they will wake up. But they will wake up wothout having undergone any the learning and development in that time, with atrophied muscles, etc. But the drug inducing the coma was reversible as they woke up.

"NHS adviser to review hormone use on young

A warning over the health impacts of giving puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to young people struggling with gender identity has prompted a call for a review of their use in Scotland.

The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) said that existing studies of the drugs were small and “subject to bias and confounding”.

It follows research published in the British Medical Journal that described how children prescribed puberty blockers experienced reduced growth in height and bone strength by the time they finished their treatment at age 16....

The effects of the drugs have been promoted in Scotland as “fully reversible” but NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde withdrew a pamphlet on gender dysphoria last year and apologised after receiving a complaint that the potential long-term effects were not made clear."

Article

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a79b75dc-94ca-11eb-8d6e-90b9b6b1f793?shareToken=f0d4dedcb5cdfbce4fc3f78579a89a64

Wasn't there a previous discussion around the meaning of the word reversible and the medical and mainstream meanings being slightly but significantly different.

They are "reversible" in the technical sense that the "puberty blocking" effect is not permanent. When you stop taking them, puberty is no longer blocked.

An irreversible puberty blocker would be one that has a permanent blocking effect.

Stopping taking the blockers - "reversing" the block - doesn't mean you will resume whatever path of development you would have been on. You don't get a redo on that blocked development period. As far as I've seen there's almost no research evidence on the overall effect if someone stops taking them in an attempt to resume puberty.

(The consensus seems that such experiments would be unethical, whereas just giving them to children with no evidence and not as an experiment is fine. )

The initial medication though is reversible. Yes the side effects make a difference however all medication does that.

The reliability of her Internet announcements can be assessed by googling Jameela Jamilbee attack.

She’s a compulsive liar. I also think she’s a bit of grifter tbh. She just jumps on whatever social justice bandwagon is trending on Twitter. Also I think we need to acknowledge that liberal feminism isn’t feminism. Shouting that sex work is real work doesn’t empower the women trafficked all over the world.

@ASugarr

https://gids.nhs.uk/puberty-and-physical-intervention

GIDS advises this is a physically reversible treatment as stated on the NHS page - although we know that in reality they are a stepping stone to cross sex hormones (almost all children (98%) on PBs go on to take CSH according to the Tavistock's own data)

@Jkrowling92

She’s a compulsive liar. I also think she’s a bit of grifter tbh. She just jumps on whatever social justice bandwagon is trending on Twitter. Also I think we need to acknowledge that liberal feminism isn’t feminism. Shouting that sex work is real work doesn’t empower the women trafficked all over the world.

What an oddly specific class to make 😂

This is what the NHS has to say about puberty blockers:

"The NHS has quietly changed its trans guidance to reflect reality

... those words I’ve quoted about, the nice ones about ‘fully reversible’ treatment, are not, in fact what the NHS website says. Not any more, anyway.

That’s what the NHS used to sayy about hormone therapy for children. Then, last week the guidance on the site was quietly changedd to something very different.
Here’s what the site now says instead:
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‘Hormone therapy in children and young people

Some young people with lasting signs of gender dysphoria and who meet strict criteria may be referred to a hormone specialist (consultant endocrinologist) to see if they can take hormone blockers as they reach puberty. This is in addition to psychological support.

These hormone blockers (gonadotrophin-releasing hormone analogues) pause the physical changes of puberty, such as breast development or facial hair.

Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.

Although the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.

It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations.

From the age of 16, teenagers who've been on hormone blockers for at least 12 months may be given cross-sex hormones, also known as gender-affirming hormones.

These hormones cause some irreversible changes, such as:

breast development (caused by taking oestrogen)

breaking or deepening of the voice (caused by taking testosterone)

Long-term cross-sex hormone treatment may cause temporary or even permanent infertility.

However, as cross-sex hormones affect people differently, they should not be considered a reliable form of contraception.

There is some uncertainty about the risks of long-term cross-sex hormone treatment.

The NHS in England is currently reviewing the evidence on the use of cross-sex hormones by the Gender Identity Development Service.’

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-nhs-has-quietly-changed-its-trans-guidance-to-reflect-reality

there's almost no research evidence on the overall effect if someone stops taking them in an attempt to resume puberty.

Correction - this is quite well studied for use with blocking precocious puberty, so stopping blocking at "normal" puberty onset age. But I seem to recall reading that those studies have shown enough problems that they're actually much less keen on doing that? Any sources?

What's not really been studied is stopping blocking if you've been blocking "normal" puberty as per the "Dutch protocol". What effect does a half-blocked normal puberty have?

Most patients end up fully-blocked and cross-sex hormones, so not a "reversing" case, and there are some studies done there, but there don't seem to be nearly enough.

Just to repeat:

"
Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.

Although the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.

It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations."

This is an experimental treatment being given to kids.

@LizzieSiddal

Yes she’s talking nonsense and she seems to have a tendency to do this, quite a lot of the time.

Yes and yes.

@ASugarr

The initial medication though is reversible. Yes the side effects make a difference however all medication does that.

False. "All medication" does not have the side-effects of puberty blockers.

I love Jameela in The Good Place but she has shown herself to get quite muddled about some of the things she tweets.

Thanks necessary I do think many people are under the impression that when / if they are stopped, then you do get to re-do what was blocked.