Jameela Jamil just tweeted this....

[GizmoBasil]

She's mainly being pulled apart in the comments due to, you know, lying.

No doubt in my mind that she's getting puberty blockers and the contraceptive pill mixed up.

Such a shame as I have been following her since my early 20's and found her feminism very accessible back then.

Am I being unreasonable to say she's talking nonsense??

@sanluca

They don't effect bone structure however they can cause cancer, large blood clots, strokes and more. Plus if you smoke the likely hood these happen jumps up.

One of my pet peeves is the way the small risks of these negative effects of anticonception pills is just accepted. As if men would continiously take these kind of medication with this. Men don't even want to take an anticonception pill for males because omg, look at the risk of side effects. But women should just accept it. Thankfully, the risk is so small and for many women there are little to no side effects when taking the pill and once stopped, everything returns to normal. No harm done.

But more research for alternatives to the pill for women, please!

I do agree. That's why the NHS and others are really pushing for condoms to be used regularly, having them given to young people for free and more. Because the harm they can do obviously isn't worth having potected sex. So I'm with you on that one. There are female condoms however they are very hard to get a hold of which I think would be beneficial to be given a highlight on as well as male condoms.

Jameela Jamil is the one who's always being attacked by bees, isn't she?

Anyway, you wouldn't prescribe puberty blockers for heavy periods. You'd prescribe them for premature puberty. I'd be very surprised if there were lots of children at her school going through premature puberty.

I knew someone that was given puberty blockers for precocious puberty.
She's dead.
She had enormous health problems and didn't make it to 40.
Anecdotal, but I didn't put 2+2 together until today.

JJ is actually not very bright and now I see she’s using the term ‘cis’ I think even less of her. She is not a feminist.

I'd be very surprised if there were lots of children at her school going through premature puberty.

Someone said the incidence of medical precocious puberty is 1 in 150k. So it would seem unlikely.

Sillyduckseverywhere
In USA there are many people (mostly women) who have revealed the very serious long term impacts to their health having being prescribed this type of drug.

One of my pet peeves is the way the small risks of these negative effects of anticonception pills is just accepted. As if men would continiously take these kind of medication with this. Men don't even want to take an anticonception pill for males because omg, look at the risk of side effects. But women should just accept it. Thankfully, the risk is so small and for many women there are little to no side effects when taking the pill and once stopped, everything returns to normal. No harm done.

The difference of course is the alternative risk of not taking contraceptives.

(why have you chosen to use the greek 'anti' as opposed to the usual latin 'contra' which means the same thing?)

@Dandelionsandskylarks

She’s also a thin shamer. If you’re smaller than she is then she will attack your body whilst claiming that she loves all women’s bodies.

‘I’ve got quite an old-fashioned figure. Back in the Sixties, girls had boobs, a tummy and wide hips, and bigger thighs as well. I think that’s sexy – to me, that’s what a woman looks like.‘

Even quotes like this are offensive - that’s what a woman looks like. Women come in all shapes and sizes, even if they have smaller chests and bottoms, but thanks Jameela.

Wow. She hasn't stopped her habit of putting other women down, then. Such top feministing!

'Tavistock’s Experimentation with Puberty Blockers: Scrutinizing the Evidence'
(part 1 of 5 important articles)
by Michael Biggs, Dept of Sociology, University of Oxford

2 March 2019
(extract)
"In 2010, Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust’s Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) launched a trial of puberty blockers for children in their early teens with gender dysphoria. This was—and remains—an experimental treatment. These drugs, Gonadotropin-Releasing Hormone agonists (GnRHa), have not been certified as a safe or effective treatment for gender dysphoria by their manufacturers, nor by the National Institute for Clinical Excellence.

The Director of GIDS, Polly Carmichael, was keenly aware of the controversy over these drugs. ‘The question is, if you halt your own sex hormones so that your brain is not experiencing puberty, are you in some way altering the course of nature?’ (Guardian, 14 August 2008). ‘[T]he debate revolves around the reversibility of this intervention—physical and also psychological, in terms of the possible influence of sex hormones on brain and identity development’ (Carmichael and Davidson 2009). Before 2010, GIDS administered blockers to children only when they reached 16; this is the age at which young people have the presumptive capacity to consent to medical treatment.

This cautious approach was vociferously opposed by two organizations devoted to transgendering of children, Mermaids and the Gender Identity Research and Education Society. As Carmichael later recounted: ‘There was a lot of pressure coming from certain group [sic] to introduce it—families were travelling abroad because they knew it was available in Holland and America. As a service, we didn’t have the evidence one way or the other, so the best way to do it was as part of a research study’ (Vice, 16 November 2016). (continues)
www.transgendertrend.com/tavistock-experiment-puberty-blockers/

Another reason I think tra conflate terms and in this case drugs, is to change the focus of the discussion away from the harmful effects of one thing to another.

So instead of looking at the potential harmful treatment of girls with gender identity issues, it's broaden out to the rights of all girls to have medical treatment or the side effects of another drug entirely.

I'm sure there is a discussion about the rights and wrongs of girls to be prescribed the pill, but it shouldn't distract from the issue around treating dysphoria with puberty blockers.

Absolutely won't be following "the puberty blockers are just like the contraceptive pill" squirrel. New day, new false equivalence.

@ZuttZeVootEeeVro

Another reason I think tra conflate terms and in this case drugs, is to change the focus of the discussion away from the harmful effects of one thing to another.

So instead of looking at the potential harmful treatment of girls with gender identity issues, it's broaden out to the rights of all girls to have medical treatment or the side effects of another drug entirely.

I'm sure there is a discussion about the rights and wrongs of girls to be prescribed the pill, but it shouldn't distract from the issue around treating dysphoria with puberty blockers.

I agree with that. Looking at that thread there is a lot of conflating precocious puberty with dysmenorrhea and gender dysphoria. Three completely separate conditions which require different treatments.

I don't know what the aim is (well I do know) but the reality is that it doesn't actually help any of those conditions in a substantial way.

(why have you chosen to use the greek 'anti' as opposed to the usual latin 'contra' which means the same thing?)

Sorry, bilingual. Mixing languages here. English is contraception, in Dutch it is anticonception.

I see the usual lack of acknowledgment of any of the information given on this thread. Same old same old.

@Helleofabore

I see the usual lack of acknowledgment of any of the information given on this thread. Same old same old.

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Certain posters are having less of an impact though... which is nice.

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Ah the 'science'.
Isn't JJ the one they always trot out on panel shows in place of an actual female comedian? I mean before they got Catherine Ryan who ticks the stunning and funny box.
JJ is not funny, but this tweet is.

Puberty blockers have a 100% safety record*

• If you're already brain dead

chiefbabysniffer, that sound so, so difficult

I feel like a worn out record on this, but I am happy to wheel it out one more time for the benefit of anyone who is sunny about these awful, awful drugs.

I was on Triporelin (the most commonly prescribed GNRHa in the UK) for less than six months for severe endometriosis. It causes, effectively, instantaneous menopause.

I had night sweats that would soak through the sheets and wake me up
I would cry for hours, with no idea really why
My bones ached like they were in a vice
I would have hot flushes so severe that sweat would be visibly running off me, and I had to carry a change of clothes at all times.
I would lose my temper for no reason whatsoever, when I am generally a very even tempered person.
My periods never returned to normal, and neither did my fertility.
It is possible that all of this contributed to my early menopause, which led to a cluster of chronic, degenerative autoimmune conditions.

It didn’t even help with the endo, and I only found relief by paying thousands of pounds for private surgery. Before that, when yet another gynae had suggested I try it one more time, my husband broke down sobbing and begged me not to, as he couldn’t stand watching me go through all that again.

I would never support this drug being given to a child who, as R0 points out above, has mainly been diagnosed with failure to conform to sex role stereotypes. The evidence as it stands is that the benefit is unclear, which does not surprise me, as there is such a lack of clarity about what they are actually supposed to treat, and the risk of harm is too great.

On a lighter note, I Concur that JJ is not a reliable source of information on anything, given her troubled history with bees and her health.

On a lighter note, I Concur that JJ is not a reliable source of information on anything, given her troubled history with bees and her health

We do also know that there have been 2 very publically aired cases of children who have taken blockers as part of early transition and the difficulties that resulted when it came to surgical transition later on.

Given that 98 percent ( according to the Tavistock study ) go on to take cross sex hormones then that will mean that the male born children will also have similar outcomes should they have surgery later too.

And that's from the horses mouths so to speak .

As an aside my wonderful friend had EDS. Horrific disease which can lead to cancer. Most people with EDS die at a fairly young age. She is very much missed.

Forgive me for derailing, but this is simply not true and is dangerous misinformation.

I have Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, and am an active member of Ehlers-Danlos Support UK (www.ehlers-danlos.org/).

There are 13 different unique types of EDS. Only two of those types (Vascular Ehlers-Danlos and Kyphoscoliosis form) are associated with a decreased life expectancy. People with h-EDS have an average life expectancy of 48. These two forms are very rare.

The most common forms of EDS (Classic and Hypermobile) are not associated with lowered life expectancy. There are plenty of elderly people with EDS. I'm not aware of any link between EDS and cancer and there's no medical literature suggesting EDS can lead to cancer.

Many people with EDS do experience significant mobility impairment but there are also plenty of people with EDS who work and raise families and you'd never know they have it.

I think Jameela is a pathological liar, and her lies about trans issues are very dangerous. But it's absolutely possible that she does have EDS and it's just not true that most people with EDS die young.

@livingwitheds1984

As an aside my wonderful friend had EDS. Horrific disease which can lead to cancer. Most people with EDS die at a fairly young age. She is very much missed.

Forgive me for derailing, but this is simply not true and is dangerous misinformation.

I have Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, and am an active member of Ehlers-Danlos Support UK (www.ehlers-danlos.org/).

There are 13 different unique types of EDS. Only two of those types (Vascular Ehlers-Danlos and Kyphoscoliosis form) are associated with a decreased life expectancy. People with h-EDS have an average life expectancy of 48. These two forms are very rare.

The most common forms of EDS (Classic and Hypermobile) are not associated with lowered life expectancy. There are plenty of elderly people with EDS. I'm not aware of any link between EDS and cancer and there's no medical literature suggesting EDS can lead to cancer.

Many people with EDS do experience significant mobility impairment but there are also plenty of people with EDS who work and raise families and you'd never know they have it.

I think Jameela is a pathological liar, and her lies about trans issues are very dangerous. But it's absolutely possible that she does have EDS and it's just not true that most people with EDS die young.

I didn't mean to give out misinformation. Apologies.

I'm just going by what my friend told me while she was receiving specialist care and what she told by her care team.

Use for precious puberty would be much younger than 10/11 that she seems to be talking about. Even 9 wouldn't be using pbs.

A child of 5,6,7 wouldn't know what periods were let alone that "loads of girls were on pbs for heavy periods."

A child of 5,6,7 wouldn't know what periods were let alone that "loads of girls were on pbs for heavy periods."

In a primary school that would basically cover what 150/200 children in infant's?

Surely more than one or 2 being on them would be an instant flag?

One of the, if not the best thing about this site is the benefit of information sharing.

Particularly as it is almost exclusively female specific.

It's unique. And very powerful.

Comments like those from livingwitheds1984 and Sophoclesthefox are enormously helpful.

I, for one, very much appreciate them. I cant think of anywhere else you would get such a range of experience from such a diverse number of women.

Does this help at all?

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6485466/

Prescribed for Endometriosis also. Induce a reverseable menopause to 'reset' the body and reduce heavy periods.
There is a glut of this type of medication, sometimes the same under a different name, that's supposed to do just this and more. Surgery is often an option after this option has been exhausted.

Merging this info with the precocious puberty info may help.