Jameela Jamil just tweeted this....

[GizmoBasil]

She's mainly being pulled apart in the comments due to, you know, lying.

No doubt in my mind that she's getting puberty blockers and the contraceptive pill mixed up.

Such a shame as I have been following her since my early 20's and found her feminism very accessible back then.

Am I being unreasonable to say she's talking nonsense??

She frequently makes erroneous comments. She's no beacon of wisdom. More like dying embers. She's part of the information flood we're deluged with, with no fact-based knowledge to back up her claims.

@NecessaryScene1

So you can be pedantic about the word “all” but it pretty much is.

I've never heard from a detransitioner who had been on puberty blockers and stopped before cross-sex hormones.

There are lots on YouTube and other places now, but all either desisted before any treatment, or detransitioned after being on testosterone for a while.

The pattern is they either back out before the first step of physical treatment, or they at least as go as far as testosterone, then stop when that's not working and there's no further step.

(I bet if there was a further step after testosterone, most would go onto that. It makes psychological sense - you try everything that's offered to you before you rethink).

Has anyone ever heard from a puberty-blocked non-cross-sex-hormones detransitioner in any media? I've only seen them as very small stats in Tavistock responses.

There was only one in the Tavistock study, and bear in mind that study started years ago, and puberty blockers in that study were started at Tanner Stage 3. Now, in real life, they’re started at Tanner Stage 2 or in some cases I know, before any physical changes are visible and based on a biochemical rise in testosterone.

Once puberty blockers are started, pretty much every child will continue to cross sex hormones. That is why, in the Bell/Mrs A vs Tavistock ruling, the judges advised, regarding consent that children should understand:

i) the immediate consequences of the treatment in physical and psychological terms;
(ii) the fact that the vast majority of patients taking puberty blocking drugs proceed to taking cross-sex hormones and are, therefore, a pathway to much greater medical interventions;
(iii) the relationship between taking cross-sex hormones and subsequent surgery, with the implications of such surgery;
(iv) the fact that cross-sex hormones may well lead to a loss of fertility;
(v) the impact of cross-sex hormones on sexual function;
(vi) the impact that taking this step on this treatment pathway may have on future and life-long relationships;
(vii) the unknown physical consequences of taking puberty blocking drugs; and
(viii) the fact that the evidence base for this treatment is as yet highly uncertain

I genuinely think there are two groups of people with this. There are those who know that children don’t ever go through proper puberty, and would like that discussion to be avoided, and those who are completely naive about what puberty blockers actually mean.

Contraception can cause the same effects and are given out regularly.

Which contraception causes any of these side effects associated with Lupron:
Brittle bones, severe bone pain and cracking teeth
Reduced IQ, seizures and in some cases inducing dementia
Cardiovascular impacts including angina and heart attacks (only studied in men but very likely impacting women and children)

@sanluca

Just for info on the Dutch protocol:

• only 30% of children referred to the Dutch doctors get blockers at all. The rest get the watchful waiting approach. Numbers are increasing but nowhere near what other countries show. You can't just get a referral, it takes time.
• the Dutch protocol will not give blockers to children who have shown no sign of gender dypshoria prior to puberty as puberty is too confusing for kids and chances on misdiagnosis is too great
• there is strict follow up. 70-80% desist, the rest go on to cross sex hormones.

It helps if you can read dutch and can read the interviews with Steensma who is appalled at how other countries abuse his research and hand blockers out like candy.

Do you know what they consider to be ‘Signs of gender dysphoria’ that children show prior to puberty? I hope it isn’t girls playing with trains and boys wearing pink!!

@MoltenLasagne

Contraception can cause the same effects and are given out regularly.

Which contraception causes any of these side effects associated with Lupron:
Brittle bones, severe bone pain and cracking teeth
Reduced IQ, seizures and in some cases inducing dementia
Cardiovascular impacts including angina and heart attacks (only studied in men but very likely impacting women and children)

All can use heart attacks. They don't effect bone structure however they can cause cancer, large blood clots, strokes and more. Plus if you smoke the likely hood these happen jumps up.

@ASugarr

Anything that interferes with development will do that. That is why they are taken very carefully and very few young people (at least in the UK) is allowed them unless necessary. Contraception can cause the same effects and are given out regularly. Additionally mental health medication is too. And those are given at an event younger age. I do agree, more research is necessary however it is very unlikely these issues arise.

The Economists title about the subject however (it's just the title, we can quote titles can't we?) said exactly the opposite: "Little is known about the effects of puberty blockers

That has not stopped clinics prescribing them enthusiastically".

It also mentions that British judges ruled that children are unlikely to be able to give meaningful conesent for them and that the NHS recently withdrew its claim that their effects are reversible.

Also that although no comprehensive studies have or have been allowed to happen, alleged effects to now adults include "cognitive deficits, brittle bones and chronic pain in later life". And when tested in animals sheep given blockers could find it very hard to navigate a maze and female mice were much more timid.

As for cross-sex hormones 2018 studies showed that female humans have more chances for cardiovascular disease and men for blood clots and strokes.

www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/02/18/little-is-known-about-the-effects-of-puberty-blockers

Do you know what they consider to be ‘Signs of gender dysphoria’ that children show prior to puberty? I hope it isn’t girls playing with trains and boys wearing pink!!

Boston Chidren's Hospital (via Dr Norman Spack this was the clinic at the forefront of using drugs and cross-sex hormones to disrupt puberty in under 16 year old children)

(extract)
"Children are typically diagnosed with gender dysphoria if they have experienced significant distress for at least six months and at least six of the following:

strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that they are the other gender
strong preference for wearing clothes typical of the opposite gender
strong preference for cross- gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play
strong preference for the toys, games or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender
strong preference for playmates of the other gender
strong rejection of toys, games and activities typical of their assigned gender
strong dislike of their sexual anatomy
strong desire for the physical sex characteristics that match their experienced gender "
www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/g/gender-dysphoria/diagnosis-and-treatment

** For gender read sex.

Well I just reported my first tweet!
She would rather insult people and deny deny deny than admit she's wrong.
Sounds familiar 🤔

to me, that’s what a woman looks like.‘

Apart from when some women look like the biological males they are, eh, Jameela?

She's simply a manipulative attention seeker who enjoys causing trouble and playing the victim when she stirs up a response. Twitter has lots of people like this, who play out their dramas online.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

to me, that’s what a woman looks like.‘

Apart from when some women look like the biological males they are, eh, Jameela?

Very good point. She should say that the the lovely woman and see how she gets on.

@R0wantrees

Do you know what they consider to be ‘Signs of gender dysphoria’ that children show prior to puberty? I hope it isn’t girls playing with trains and boys wearing pink!!

Boston Chidren's Hospital (via Dr Norman Spack this was the clinic at the forefront of using drugs and cross-sex hormones to disrupt puberty in under 16 year old children)

(extract)
"Children are typically diagnosed with gender dysphoria if they have experienced significant distress for at least six months and at least six of the following:

strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that they are the other gender
strong preference for wearing clothes typical of the opposite gender
strong preference for cross- gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play
strong preference for the toys, games or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender
strong preference for playmates of the other gender
strong rejection of toys, games and activities typical of their assigned gender
strong dislike of their sexual anatomy
strong desire for the physical sex characteristics that match their experienced gender "
www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/g/gender-dysphoria/diagnosis-and-treatment

** For gender read sex.

Shit, I must be a boy!!!

She is such an absolute bellend.

Do you know what they consider to be ‘Signs of gender dysphoria’ that children show prior to puberty? I hope it isn’t girls playing with trains and boys wearing pink

I can't imagine what else it would be??

This is a load of bull shit. When you go through puberty your genitals mature because of the hormones. When those hormones are blocked, or you go through menopause, your genitals start to atrophy. I know this is a fact as I've been on blockers to treat fibroids. Within 5 months I'd lost all the padding from my clitoris , had loss of colour and skin thinning and dryness so intense I was worried I may burst into flames if I walked to quickly.

But in the 90s I was most certainly put on the pill for heavy painful periods.

@YouNoob

You can see that so many people have taken it as fact and are going to spread it.

I think we are going to see lots claiming to have been on puberty blockers when young.

What TRA are doing is making puberty blockers and contraception pills mean the same thing. Both can halt periods, both have side effects, therefore they must be the same.

Much in the way a middle age man can be a girl - because they both wear a skirt. They concentrate on the similarities, but ignore the obvious differences.

All can use heart attacks. They don't effect bone structure however they can cause cancer, large blood clots, strokes and more. Plus if you smoke the likely hood these happen jumps up.

Pretending that it is safe to give medication which can irreversibly damage their bodies to children is really not a good look. Justifying its use because other medications are also dangerous is questionable to say the least.

@ASugarr

Actually she isn't wrong. If taken correctly, they are reversible.

Could you please pass that message asking to my genitals, they clearly missed the memo. And mine were administered by a private gynaecologist with thirty years experience in his job . 5 months on them and I've got the genitals of an old woman. Sex is painful, my libido destroyed.

I'm 41.

Chiefbabysniffer

What TRA are doing is making puberty blockers and contraception pills mean the same thing. Both can halt periods, both have side effects, therefore they must be the same.

Yes.

@ASugarr

Actually she isn't wrong. If taken correctly, they are reversible.

There is no evidence of this at all.

I'm getting very tired of the level of ignorance around this issue and the fact that despite this ignorance people feel they can advocate for a drug whose use as a blocker has been legally seen as experimental because it is off label. Long term use in children with precocious puberty is not advised because those side effects are not known while side effects in adult use for its intended purpose are documented and extremely unpleasant.

Even in the short term, users have described feeling out of step with the development of their peers leading to more not less dysphoria and even contributing to an inability to concentrate at school. I am not sure where you get your information from that differs so wildly from what medical experts and even the producers of the drug have said.

Puberty is a significant time in a child's life where the body goers through a number of necessary changes, not enough is still known about how significantly it contributes to brain development etc. It is dangerous and reckless for people with no medical training to make statements such as yours which encourage the use of a potentially harmful drug in children.

I'm just glad that others on this thread have been far more factually informative with regard to the thoughts of the man who originally proposed their use (I wasn't aware of this - great post btw) and the reality of the NHS having to retract (or try to pretend they never said anything) their claim of them being reversible. Thank goodness for informed women.

What were they administered for if you don't mind me asking?

They don't effect bone structure however they can cause cancer, large blood clots, strokes and more. Plus if you smoke the likely hood these happen jumps up.

One of my pet peeves is the way the small risks of these negative effects of anticonception pills is just accepted. As if men would continiously take these kind of medication with this. Men don't even want to take an anticonception pill for males because omg, look at the risk of side effects. But women should just accept it. Thankfully, the risk is so small and for many women there are little to no side effects when taking the pill and once stopped, everything returns to normal. No harm done.

But more research for alternatives to the pill for women, please!

@ASugarr

Anything that interferes with development will do that. That is why they are taken very carefully and very few young people (at least in the UK) is allowed them unless necessary. Contraception can cause the same effects and are given out regularly. Additionally mental health medication is too. And those are given at an event younger age. I do agree, more research is necessary however it is very unlikely these issues arise.

You’re going to need some evidence to back this up. Do you have any peer reviewed study reports? Links to blog posts, articles and special interest group position papers won’t suffice.

Asugar, ChiefBabySniffer has already said what they were for. Fibroids.