Jameela Jamil just tweeted this....

[GizmoBasil]

She's mainly being pulled apart in the comments due to, you know, lying.

No doubt in my mind that she's getting puberty blockers and the contraceptive pill mixed up.

Such a shame as I have been following her since my early 20's and found her feminism very accessible back then.

Am I being unreasonable to say she's talking nonsense??

An actor, MissMaple82.

She was in the Netflix original series The Good Place

from document linked above:
"In secondary care, gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) agonists have been used to stop the production of oestrogen and progesterone, thereby decreasing menstrual blood loss and resulting in amenorrhoea in 89% of women. Owing to their AEs (e.g. osteoporosis, vasomotor symptoms) long-term use (>6 months) is not recommended. GnRH agonists are principally used pre-operatively to decrease peri-operative blood loss and to reduce uterine and fibroid size"

There is no way this would be common treatment for teenage girls. It was most likely a pre-surgery short term option for older women.

Treating heavy periods with puberty blockers makes no sense. It will stop someone developing further than where they are at that point in puberty. And they have to be fully in puberty because they have periods. So yes, it will stop periods, but to no effect as the minute you stop taking them, the periods will start again. And probably just as heavy as before. So no, I cannot believe pb will ever in real life be prescribed for heavy periods, when there are other options available and pb don't solve a thing and cause delay in development as well as medical risks.

What is important is that there are good statistics collected about periods and how women and girls experience them so that better research could be done and some day someone would find a better solution for heavy periods without having to go on the pill or just live with it.

@MissMaple82

Who is jamillia jamil ?

A complete dimwit if her Twitter account is anything to go by.

Isn't Jameela being a bit transphobic with her language though?

Surely it should say 'Loads of menstruators at my school were on them...'???

Jameela's tweet right before that one is:

Teen cosmetic surgery is at an all time high? I wonder why? apparently they bring their filtered pictures in to meet the surgeons as a prescription of how they wish to look. We have to stop using these apps for them, and for our own sanity. They are designed to create self hate.

She doesn't seem to have made any connection between the two.

@Mugginyouleftrightandcentre

Isn't Jameela being a bit transphobic with her language though?

Surely it should say 'Loads of menstruators at my school were on them...'???

True.

@Helleofabore

Right, so we've established that it is used to treat HMB in adolescents and none of you have any idea whether Jameela know any girls at school who were prescribed it.

Really. so, 'loads' of girls at her school were being treated with PBs as the last resort for HMB.

Were you a teenager having periods, heavy or not, in the 90s? If it was anything like my own experience, the doctors at the time usually hand waved it away. In the 90s. In the 90s, I was told by numerous male doctors periods were normal and just get over it. I was told by numerous female doctors that there was little anyone could do really at my age although they did at least sympathise.

It is highly unlikely that there were 'load' of girls even experiencing that degree of HMB that they required the last line of treatment, PB.

I am not sure that twisting this to suit an entrenched narrative is going to convince a forum with a majority of women who have either had personal experience of treatment of heavy periods, had a child or sibling experiencing treatment of heavy periods or knows someone at least who has, that a load of teenagers in the 90s at one particular school were treated with puberty blocker for heavy periods.

I'm pretty sure the standard Dr response to heavy periods in the 90s was "They'll settle down when you have a baby".

GrouchyKiwi, I was told by multiple GPS when I had heavily periods as a teenager in the late 90s/early 2000s that I cannot be bleeding that heavily as you only lose a few teaspoons of blood during a period.

She has so clearly made a mistake and mixed up the contraceptive pill and puberty blockers.
The obvious response from advocates for puberty blockers would be to say 'nice try, thanks for the thought, but btw you've mixed up different drugs there'.
That there are people actually trying to do the impossible and justify that she is right and not mistaken completely discredits them. Surely it is better to just accept and acknowledge she made a mistake? That wouldnt discredit their campaign. Backing this nonsense really does.

The point of her post being of course that no one is running around with their hair on fire until the treatment is used for a trans child

And yet pro gender ideologists are advocating for it.

For children you say are 'trans'

I honestly don't think you can see what you're saying.

From malcolm Clark

The first science paper on the subject of a trial giving GnRH agonists (or puberty blockers) to adolescents was published in 1998 and was the subject of a 1996 C4 documentary. This highly experimental trial happened in Holland and NOT Jameela's school. Strangely enough.

5./ The man who popularised giving puberty blockers to under 16s was Dr Norman Spack. He gave puberty blockers to a very few British kids who travelled to the US including that of Susie Green. He started doing this not in the 90s but in 2007

8./ So, every claim Jameela made is unsupportable. Puberty blockers are likely NOT reversible, and no one can say for certain they are. They've been prescribed by Gender Identity clinics in Britain only since 2011, in the US since 2007, and are NOT given to treat heavy periods

mobile.twitter.com/TwisterFilm/status/1382304177309749251

In case not seen, here's Malcolm Clark's good thread on it all:

twitter.com/twisterfilm/status/1382304132942413836?s=21

Great minds/ cross post 🤣 datun

5./ The man who popularised giving puberty blockers to under 16s was Dr Norman Spack. He gave puberty blockers to a very few British kids who travelled to the US including that of Susie Green. He started doing this not in the 90s but in 2007

Dr Norman Spack TedTalk
'How I help transgender teens become who they want to be'

(I find Spack's attitudes to children disconcerting)

The other point is that when used on a child with precious puberty, it delays puberty to a more normal time, allowing time for bones to grow more and not heal over, though there's clearly still many with side effects.

Delaying puberty at a normal puberty is an entirely different kettle of fish.,

GrouchyKiwi

Exactly Grouchy. I think any girl or woman discussing period issues would have come across that in the 90s. Strange that posters pushing hard for Jameela’s tweet to be taken as being true have not acknowledged the lived experiences of many on this thread.

I was also told to suck up my PMT issues and once was told that I was obviously trying to get a Valium prescription.... because every other female seems to deal with PMT why can’t you?

And this was in towards the end of the 90s as well!!!

@Pandoraslastchance

GrouchyKiwi, I was told by multiple GPS when I had heavily periods as a teenager in the late 90s/early 2000s that I cannot be bleeding that heavily as you only lose a few teaspoons of blood during a period.

Oh yes!! That nugget of information!

My reply that I would lose that in one clot was scoffed at.

I am quite prepared to believe significant numbers of Jamil's peers, or indeed a majority, were on contraceptive pills to deal with heavy/painful periods. Being well acquainted with the school in question, I think it is fair to say that most pupils' families would have had the option of private healthcare, and it's amazing how much more seriously period issues tend to be taken in that environment.

@WarriorN

Great minds/ cross post 🤣 datun

🥂😁

@Pandoraslastchance

GrouchyKiwi, I was told by multiple GPS when I had heavily periods as a teenager in the late 90s/early 2000s that I cannot be bleeding that heavily as you only lose a few teaspoons of blood during a period.

Oh yes I remember that old chestnut. One of the clots I passed (and there would be lots) when sat on the toilet would have filled an egg cup.

@Pandoraslastchance

GrouchyKiwi, I was told by multiple GPS when I had heavily periods as a teenager in the late 90s/early 2000s that I cannot be bleeding that heavily as you only lose a few teaspoons of blood during a period.

I remember my mother telling me about a friend of hers who got told that by a doctor, when the friend was asking for a hysterectomy because of out of control bleeding. So she saved her next period in a bucket and took it to him. She got her hysterectomy.

I think given how popular Mooncups are now that we can safely put that 'few teaspoons' nonsense to rest!

She’s a fantasist. Pathological liar.

@theThreeofWeevils

I am quite prepared to believe significant numbers of Jamil's peers, or indeed a majority, were on contraceptive pills to deal with heavy/painful periods. Being well acquainted with the school in question, I think it is fair to say that most pupils' families would have had the option of private healthcare, and it's amazing how much more seriously period issues tend to be taken in that environment.

I did get on the bus one day with a girl from her old senior school who was hugging a hot waterbottle to her tummy.

Maybe they have terrible periods on Harley Street?