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Jameela Jamil just tweeted this....

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GizmoBasil · 14/04/2021 08:06

She's mainly being pulled apart in the comments due to, you know, lying.

No doubt in my mind that she's getting puberty blockers and the contraceptive pill mixed up.

Such a shame as I have been following her since my early 20's and found her feminism very accessible back then.

Am I being unreasonable to say she's talking nonsense??

Jameela Jamil just tweeted this....
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Sophoclesthefox · 14/04/2021 18:46

I’ve checked the guidelines on heavy menstrual bleeding from the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, and NICE, and neither of those recommend or even mention GNRHa, not even as a last-chance option.

It’s not a routine treatment, Wikipedia is not a reliable medical resource and nor is Jameela.

yourhairiswinterfire · 14/04/2021 18:47

If they were regularly used on ''loads of girls'' for heavy periods, why did no 'experts' at the Keira Bell judicial review think to mention it? They mentioned their other uses...

Those 'many girls' will be in their mid 30s now, the perfect people to tell us all about any side effects. Where's the data?

Shizuku · 14/04/2021 18:48

@Helleofabore

Right, so we've established that it is used to treat HMB in adolescents and none of you have any idea whether Jameela know any girls at school who were prescribed it.

Really. so, 'loads' of girls at her school were being treated with PBs as the last resort for HMB.

Were you a teenager having periods, heavy or not, in the 90s? If it was anything like my own experience, the doctors at the time usually hand waved it away. In the 90s. In the 90s, I was told by numerous male doctors periods were normal and just get over it. I was told by numerous female doctors that there was little anyone could do really at my age although they did at least sympathise.

It is highly unlikely that there were 'load' of girls even experiencing that degree of HMB that they required the last line of treatment, PB.

I am not sure that twisting this to suit an entrenched narrative is going to convince a forum with a majority of women who have either had personal experience of treatment of heavy periods, had a child or sibling experiencing treatment of heavy periods or knows someone at least who has, that a load of teenagers in the 90s at one particular school were treated with puberty blocker for heavy periods.

But if any are treated with it, surely that's cause for concern given all the Mumsnetters have to say about the dangers. I mean now you know that's how it's being used, surely you want to campaign against it.

If you don't you are only proving Jameela's point.

Helleofabore · 14/04/2021 18:48

It's pure transphobia.

Well, there it is..... we are discussing the prescription of puberty blockers for teenagers for heavy periods and the likelihood that Jameela know even one on this prescription.

You are making some pretty massive leaps here. But I guess it does show your intention.

Umbivalent · 14/04/2021 18:49

The point of her post being of course that no one is running around with their hair on fire until the treatment is used for a trans child

The point of her post being of course that she was talking bollocks.

PotholeHellhole · 14/04/2021 18:51

The point of her post being of course that no one is running around with their hair on fire until the treatment is used for a trans child.

The point of her post being bollocks and her grave ignorance of the situation of the now adult children who were put on puberty blockers for precocious puberty.

One is supposed to learn from history, not repeat it by trying the same treatment pathway on patients for different symptoms, and then going surprisedpikachu.gif when it does the same to them.

Shizuku · 14/04/2021 18:51

@Helleofabore

It's pure transphobia.

Well, there it is..... we are discussing the prescription of puberty blockers for teenagers for heavy periods and the likelihood that Jameela know even one on this prescription.

You are making some pretty massive leaps here. But I guess it does show your intention.

You can prove it isn't transphobia by extending the anti-PBs rhetoric and campaigning to include girls who are receiving them for HMB.
Emmelina · 14/04/2021 18:51

Yes, I’m sure that’s what she’s mistaking it for. I knew a few on the contraceptive pill for periods. Puberty blockers are a completely different beast!

R0wantrees · 14/04/2021 18:52

People sharing US papers as gotchas would do well to remember that UK has different prescribing protocols.

GoingThruTheMotions · 14/04/2021 18:52

Wikipedia can be instantly edited by anyone, apart from the protected pages. I've done it myself to show classes how unreliable a resource it is.
I also wasn't allowed to reference it in my degree.

PotholeHellhole · 14/04/2021 18:55

You can prove it isn't transphobia by extending the anti-PBs rhetoric and campaigning to include girls who are receiving them for HMB

It is only you and Jameela who believe this is happening.

Helleofabore · 14/04/2021 18:55

You can prove it isn't transphobia by extending the anti-PBs rhetoric and campaigning to include girls who are receiving them for HMB.

Sorry? Am I missing something. We have been talking for a number of years about the dangers of these drugs for use on girls?

I think you are really reaching here to be declaring transphobia. It rather seems more like deflection and distraction. And I also think it highlights a distinct lack of knowledge about menstrual issues in general.

Sophoclesthefox · 14/04/2021 18:55

You can prove it isn't transphobia by extending the anti-PBs rhetoric and campaigning to include girls who are receiving them for HMB

I am implacably against the use of GNRHas for anyone, including any adolescent, for any reason with the possible exception of extremely early puberty. I’d be against it for use in teenage girls with heavy periods, if that was happening, which I would need more evidence of than the Twitter musings of an actress known for exaggeration, and an oblique mention on Wikipedia.

You’ll see why I feel so,strongly if you scroll upthread and read my account of my own personal, hellish experience of them.

Does that help?

Mugginyouleftrightandcentre · 14/04/2021 18:56

The point of her post being of course that no one is running around with their hair on fire until the treatment is used for a trans child.

What are you talking about?

Hormone blockers for heavy periods are a last resort 5th/6th/7th line treatment when other treatments have not worked. Presumably the reason for this is because they are serious drugs with serious side effects and should only be used in very specific cases.

You are advocating putting any and every child who wants to, onto puberty blockers because.... They want to go onto puberty blockers Confused

Mugginyouleftrightandcentre · 14/04/2021 18:59

Jameela's 'yeah loadsa girls were on them when I was at school, they are absolutely fiiiiiiiine' is not only total bullshit but dangerous bullshit as well.

How could someone with that sort of platform spread such dangerous misinformation?

toffeebutterpopcorn · 14/04/2021 18:59

Well someone here must’ve been at the same school as her around the same time. It would have been common knowledge, no?

AfternoonToffee · 14/04/2021 19:01

It's almost as if none of us here were teenagers in the 90's. I guess our lived experience is of no interest.

Anyway article about treatment here. GNRH used in specific circumstances and for very short period of time.

pharmaceutical-journal.com/article/ld/heavy-menstrual-bleeding-diagnosis-and-management-options

However let's just say, our lived experience is wrong and lots of teenagers were prescribed them, 20 years on a lot more is known, so just because something that didn't happened then, doesn't mean it should now.

PotholeHellhole · 14/04/2021 19:01

Toffee, Someone who was at school with her has commented on twitter, to the effect of wut. This didn't happen.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 14/04/2021 19:03

No! Colour me gobsmacked!

Was she the horrible attention seeker who would go home and complain to mummy that everyone was mean to her because they were so jealous of her beauty?

Sophoclesthefox · 14/04/2021 19:05

Correction: NICE suggest that GNRHa can be considered for use in women with fibroids over 3cm, before myectomy or hysterectomy only.

I will eat my hat if this applied to teenagers in the 90s, in the Uk, where Jameela was at school, with multiple girls of her acquaintance. Didn’t happen.

PotholeHellhole · 14/04/2021 19:09

There is also someone in the comments who seems to be complaining that her doctors are currently refusing to prescribe puberty blockers for precocious puberty, and various people are explaining why that might be, by linking her to the article that I myself quoted upthread.

EdgeOfACoin · 14/04/2021 19:11

So loads of girls in Jameela's school were happy to have prepubescent breasts and an altered bone growth pattern to help them deal with heavy periods?

When other treatments wouldn't come with those side effects?

And those girls were happy to have stunted development all through high school and beyond?

And doctors were happy to go along with this treatment?

Do you not think this...stretches credulity, Shizuku?

MissMaple82 · 14/04/2021 19:13

Who is jamillia jamil ?

EdgeOfACoin · 14/04/2021 19:14

Oh, and if all those girls were happy with stunted breasts and prepubescent bone growth, does that mean they were all suffering from gender dysphoria?

In which case trans children have been prescribed PBs since the '90s after all (according to Jameela)?