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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Well, that's us told

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/04/2021 20:14

lux-magazine.com/article/the-road-to-terfdom/

This is an article about Mumsnet FWR boards. Author doesn't like us. Oh dear.

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R0wantrees · 17/04/2021 09:55

I thought she was talking about fwr for a minute

I think we should rebrand

I agree.
This might helpfully clarify that complaints of the monitors concern the 'stroppycunts' board on MN who refuse to capitulate to their demands rather than suggesting it is all female members of the site and/or the business Mumsnet.

Helleofabore · 17/04/2021 10:05

I did like that she has already added the trademark sign.... it could go places that name.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 17/04/2021 11:10

In response to Rowantrees: I found it interesting to see the pattern of coercive control of and by individuals, deployment of flying monkeys, all the hallmark patterns and cycles of abuse, applied on a macro level to this movement. Being a finer details rather than 'big picture' kind of thinker, I hadn't joined these particular dots. But of course you're right. The parallels are striking. All the pieces of the puzzle are there.

The thing about this movement that's more sinister than any other 'social justice' movement we've seen in the last century is its power to silence dissenters. The threats of violence, doxxing, no platforming, destruction of people's careers, is the like of which I've never witnessed before. It's on a whole different level from laughing at female radicals and calling them 'bra burners'.

It leads me to wonder how history will judge this a decade or so down the line.

R0wantrees · 17/04/2021 11:45

The parallels are striking. All the pieces of the puzzle are there.

The thing about this movement that's more sinister than any other 'social justice' movement we've seen in the last century is its power to silence dissenters. The threats of violence, doxxing, no platforming, destruction of people's careers, is the like of which I've never witnessed before.

The Duluth wheel identified the power and control dynamics and tactics of male abuse including deliberate smearing, isolation, threats etc in 1980's.
It continues to inform understanding of male violence against women and coercive/narcissistic control.

Well, that's us told
SirVixofVixHall · 17/04/2021 20:06

I completely agree on the lack of nuance. Things like family support and make a big difference to women’s lives, especially for girls and very young women. A teenage girl from a more affluent family can tick all the boxes for supposed privilege yet in real terms be struggling more than another girl who has a loving family and lots of support but not much money coming in. Having a supportive family nearby makes a massive difference to women trying to juggle work and children, it always has done for less affluent women who could not afford to stop working even with babies, in the time before paid maternity leave.
I went to an all-girls selective private school. In the school there were sisters from a very strict religious sect. There were rules around how often they were allowed to wash their hair, so they usually had that acrid, greasy hair smell. They weren’t allowed to watch any television or listen to music or the radio, which is not a huge tragedy, but meant they were left out of conversations. They were extremely quiet and didn’t mix with other girls, they weren’t allowed to ask any of us to their home.
As above, on paper they were white teenagers in a good school, from a comfortably off family. In real terms their lives were incredibly restricted and some of it was almost cruelty.
Women from all classes experience domestic violence and coercive control, in spite of the lingering image that it is a working class problem. Education and cash cushion lives in general but can make no difference at all if your father/husband/partner won’t let you access it, or stops you from seeing friends, or family.

Manderleyagain · 22/01/2023 22:29

The writer of this article has published a piece in the New York Times that is getting her called transphobic. Perhaps she's on the Road to Terfdom.

www.nytimes.com/2023/01/22/us/gender-identity-students-parents.html

It is about schools helping children transition and hiding it from parents.

It's a but both sides but it does start to tell Americans what is going on.

Manderleyagain · 22/01/2023 22:34

Genspect tweeted that she attended a parent support group in New york
"Katie listened to & reported several of the parents' experiences & concerns."
You can read quotes in the twitter thread
mobile.twitter.com/genspect/status/1617184266139439104

Ofcourseshecan · 22/01/2023 22:52

nauticant · 13/04/2021 20:34

So much of it reads as ham-fisted parody:

The more I learned about Mumsnet, the more the forum reminded me of my past reporting on the ways men are radicalized by the toxic online “manosphere,” where pick-up artists (PUAs) and men’s rights activists (MRAs) recruit followers by exploiting real fears (such as economic anxiety) and blaming marginalized outgroups (women, people of color, Jews) for societal failures.

So true! I love the way the writer ‘learned about Mumsnet’ and ‘did more research’ — as if browsing a chat forum was investigative journalism! I’m proud to know my coffee-breaks with Mumsnet are actually high-level sociopolitical study.

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