Well, that's us told

[Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]

lux-magazine.com/article/the-road-to-terfdom/

This is an article about Mumsnet FWR boards. Author doesn't like us. Oh dear.

But seriously, comparing mothers to incels in basements??

It's just childish DARVO nonsense.

Perhaps she was a troll, as some commenters surmised, or maybe she was overwhelmed by the Mumsnetters, who called her a “midnight misogynist” and told her to “listen to her mum.”

The horror! Not quite the same as being doxxed to your employer and sent rape threats, dear, is it?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Perhaps she was a troll, as some commenters surmised, or maybe she was overwhelmed by the Mumsnetters, who called her a “midnight misogynist” and told her to “listen to her mum.”

The horror! Not quite the same as being doxxed to your employer and sent rape threats, dear, is it?

The fragility!

@AgentCooper I'm so sorry.

I really strongly dislike begonias.

begonias do suck don't they?

worst of the bedding plants

Nope. Strongly disagree. Begonias are deluxe and perfect for a cottage garden especially when arranged with Crocosmia or Leusanthemums.

Now we disagree on that I can't agree with either of you about anything. Ever.

wrong about begonias = wrong about life + bigot

GNCQ, I'm most awfully sorry, but -

Begonias are the wee furry nyaffs of the bedding plant world. They're like something you find at a disappointing jumble sale.

And Crocosmia are just thugs. Rabid, reckless thugs. Pretty, yes, but I fight an annual battle with the bastards. If I one day disappear and I haven't been Eliminated, it will have been the Crocosmia that got me.

Bigoted About Begonias. It's true. I'm probably boogie, too, who the fuck even knows.

[quote Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]@AgentCooper I'm so sorry.[/quote]
@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g thank you I am ok. I think there’s just a lot of anger flying about in me right now with nowhere to really go. Never have I felt my biology more keenly than when I was carrying a pregnancy that I knew I wasn’t going to continue and on the day that I had the abortion. I was supported through it with great compassion by the BPAS staff and am glad I live in a country where it was possible for me to access it safely and legally. But I didn’t want to be pregnant and I didn’t want to have to have an abortion. So the whole biology is a social construct business is making me want to scream until my throat hurts right now.

Bigoted About Begonias. It's true. I'm probably boogie, too, who the fuck even knows.

Blame It On The Boogie

AgentCooper, sorry, I missed your post upthread. Hope you're okay.

@ArabellaScott

AgentCooper, sorry, I missed your post upthread. Hope you're okay.

@ArabellaScott oh please don’t apologise, I’m ok and the begonia issue needs addressing!

I detest Begonias. They are the box of jelly fruits with liquid centres , the tepid filter coffee, the synthetic blouse with no button at the bust point, they make me think of brushed nylon sheets, tightly mown lawns, no weeds, plastic tubs. Their fleshy qualities are slightly sinister.
I like a gaudy flower, a mad Dahlia, a stripey rose, a frilly tulip. But a Begonia will NEVER CROSS MY THRESHOLD.

Weird that India Willoughby wrote something similar, expected us to all be nattering about posh pushchairs and got affronted that instead we were all bathing naked in the pond of radicalisation, laughing and eating Sacher Torte.

@SirVixofVixHall

I detest Begonias. They are the box of jelly fruits with liquid centres , the tepid filter coffee, the synthetic blouse with no button at the bust point, they make me think of brushed nylon sheets, tightly mown lawns, no weeds, plastic tubs. Their fleshy qualities are slightly sinister. I like a gaudy flower, a mad Dahlia, a stripey rose, a frilly tulip. But a Begonia will NEVER CROSS MY THRESHOLD.

Weird that India Willoughby wrote something similar, expected us to all be nattering about posh pushchairs and got affronted that instead we were all bathing naked in the pond of radicalisation, laughing and eating Sacher Torte.

And posts like this are the precise reason I love MumsNet! Eloquence, intelligence, wisdom, class and humour, the latter being something radical trans activists can never, ever muster

Post of the day SirVix

Please don't throw the begonia baby out with the bathwater. Consider begonia rex, one of the most beautiful foliage plants. Some of them come in purple, green and white. Some have a leaf curled into an equilateral spiral. And that probably marks me out as very chi chi la la in Katie's eyes for even knowing about them.

Sir Vix is right though, they do have a bit of the fleshy spider you uncovered in the shed about them.

I'm rubbish on flowers so I had to google - I thought the begonias looked quite pretty

Maybe I'm bougie, but I think it's more likely you're just a load of witchy, old BERFs. (Begonia exclusionary radical feminists)

Catching up but wanted to say

Bancha how much I enjoyed your post.

It's similar for me- but not quite.

I have had feminist views since before I knew the word feminist. Since I was a little girl. I was very aware of the differences in how I was talked to, assumptions about me from a really young age.

However- having a baby was a whole different layer. Before I had a baby I would have probably eg not seen a problem with surrogacy as a concept, if there was not exploitation. Having had a baby, my views are totally different.

The experience of pregnancy, birth, how the healthcare is, how you become a non person a bit or secondary, BF support, the judgement all over the place, what it means for work, mental health stuff, and on and on so much.

It's a fucking big deal. The standard response in general is women do it all over the world every day it's natural why do women make such a fuss...

No.

So yes lots of women become interested in feminism when they have children. To frame that experience as a loss of privilege is a sleight of hand and a pretty cynical one.

Sorry Agent Cooper, got glib about begonias before I read your posts. Would send you some damn fine coffee. Or better, a large gin & some 💐(not begonias.)

I think she makes some good points.
I also think it's interesting the amount of people who are commenting, whilst at the same time saying they can't be bothered to read or are just dismissing straight off.

Points in case anyone asks me to clarify what I mean
Some insist that they support trans rights as long as the fight doesn’t overshadow what they consider real feminist initiatives. But scratch that surface and you’ll find that the core issue underlying every legitimate-sounding concern about trans rights outshining, say, domestic abuse or reproductive justice, is “simple animosity toward trans people’s very existence
Have definitely seen that on here, and have said as much. Yes, there's some legitimate concerns (eg self ID) but there's an undercurrent where it's so much more.
(Interesting other people seem to be seeing it so much more now too)

such as
The more I learned about Mumsnet, the more the forum reminded me of my past reporting on the ways men are radicalized by the toxic online “manosphere,” where pick-up artists (PUAs) and men’s rights activists (MRAs) recruit followers by exploiting real fears (such as economic anxiety) and blaming marginalized outgroups (women, people of color, Jews) for societal failures. As people get drawn into these communities, they become obsessed with a misguided sense of victimization and start to focus single-mindedly on their newfound worldview.

The real fears bit jumps out and is also kind of what happens - it plays on real fears of men, real fears of "being erased"
I've seen it all play out on here and it seems others have too.

Caught up.

Not sure what the point about Pitcairn Islands was about? Find it hard to follow. Something about them being early to give the vote to women..?

That's not the first thing I think of when I read the name yet I think it's being flagged as a place good on women's rights??!!

Perhaps she was a troll, as some commenters surmised, or maybe she was overwhelmed by the Mumsnetters, who called her a “midnight misogynist” and told her to “listen to her mum.”

Here's that particular thread, which isn't difficult to google from the direct quotes. Make up your own mind.

I got the last post

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4117149-Im-a-young-feminist-I-cannot-understand-your-Gender-Critical-positions

The best thing about that thread is the songs by queenofknives - I'm sure the article writer enjoyed them!