Pregnant people?

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So our local NHS Trust have finally updated their guidance re allowing partners to attend pregnancy scans etc.
They now refer to pregnant people, not pregnant women.
I don't know if I am being unreasonable here but this does not sit comfortably with me?

@StrangeLookingParasite

Hijab is not banned in France.

Please stop lying.

For minors there is a bill passing to do that! Which is unacceptable.

I literally gave you the NHS definitions and what they mean. And the literal fact that woman and man are gender terms. That's fact.

No, you gave a slide you made yourself (as well as the NHS style guide ones, one of which is specifically only for use with regards to "gender dysphoria or transgender health and social care", "writing about the results of a national census, where there is a question about gender identity as well as sex to identify the trans (including non-binary) population" (good luck with that, several very prominent transactivists have openly admitted they simply lied on the census), "writing about a survey or report based on gender, such as gender diversity" - sex should be used in this instance.

@EastWestWhosBest

I literally gave you the NHS definitions and what they mean. And the literal fact that woman and man are gender terms. That's fact.

Again that word ‘fact’ that you have redefined.

Fact. Literally fact. Sex terms are male and female. Gender terms are man and woman. That is a fact.

For minors there is a bill passing to do that! Which is unacceptable.

Hijab is not banned in France. Stop lying.

@StrangeLookingParasite

I literally gave you the NHS definitions and what they mean. And the literal fact that woman and man are gender terms. That's fact.

No, you gave a slide you made yourself (as well as the NHS style guide ones, one of which is specifically only for use with regards to "gender dysphoria or transgender health and social care", "writing about the results of a national census, where there is a question about gender identity as well as sex to identify the trans (including non-binary) population" (good luck with that, several very prominent transactivists have openly admitted they simply lied on the census), "writing about a survey or report based on gender, such as gender diversity" - sex should be used in this instance.

Yes I gave you the NHS definitions as well as a simpler version I created to help.

Fact. Literally fact. Sex terms are male and female. Gender terms are man and woman. That is a fact.

No, those are your definitions. These do not constitute facts.

Well yes those images of a woman having to take loads of clothes off on a French beach at gunpoint were appalling.

But who is expected to cover? What is the root reason for it? Will having a different gender ID mean you can opt out, especially in other countries where it's seriously enforced.

I'll never forget the story of a school that was burning and the rescue was hampered because the girls were not covered enough.

That had nothing to do with gender. It was to do with sex.

And no news outlet in the world I don't think would run a headline 'children with vaginas die because of modesty rules' or similar. If it (god forbid) happened again.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Mecca_girls%27_school_fire

The 2002 Mecca girls' school fire occurred on 11 March 2002 at a girls' school in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, and killed fifteen people, all young girls. Complaints were made that Saudi Arabia's "religious police", specifically the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, had prevented schoolgirls from leaving the burning building and hindered rescue workers because the students were not wearing modest clothing and, possibly, because they lacked a male escort

Gender terms are man and woman. That is a fact.

Good grief. I can't take this discussion any longer.

Night, all.

Yes I gave you the NHS definitions as well as a simpler version I created to help.

With information you made up.

@StrangeLookingParasite

Fact. Literally fact. Sex terms are male and female. Gender terms are man and woman. That is a fact.

No, those are your definitions. These do not constitute facts.

They are the scientific/medical definitions.

'Gender terms are man and woman. That is a fact.'

Since when?

I'm nearly 50 and it's only in the last couple of years this has been said.

Yes your sex means that gender expectations are imposed on you. Yes things like 'he's not a real man' are said and are imposing gender on sex.

But that is a layer on top.

The words for gender are feminine and masculine.

@EdgeOfACoin

Gender terms are man and woman. That is a fact.

Good grief. I can't take this discussion any longer.

Night, all.

I'm with you to be honest. Why make a post about these topics and not listen to those trying to explain the subject at hand. Night 🤍

@NiceGerbil

'Gender terms are man and woman. That is a fact.'

Since when?

I'm nearly 50 and it's only in the last couple of years this has been said.

Yes your sex means that gender expectations are imposed on you. Yes things like 'he's not a real man' are said and are imposing gender on sex.

But that is a layer on top.

The words for gender are feminine and masculine.

I already posted the image of the NHS guidelines hours ago on this and explained why. I'm not explaining this again. service-manual.nhs.uk/content/inclusive-language Goodnight.

They are the scientific/medical definitions.

No. They aren't.

They are the scientific/medical definitions

No. They are not. Someone allegedly working in sexual health and influencing young people with misinformation is problematic. To say the least.

Can’t believe this is still going. Asugar has only one mantra that is factually incorrect. But to save them they job, this is the dictionary definition of a woman

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woman

It is an adult human female. Sex-based not gender

No they aren't fgs!

If they are and that is what they have always meant then why has everything to do with sex always referenced women/ girls?

Votes for women
Pension ages
Charities for reproductive rights
Charities that focus on education for girls
And a million other examples

These terms have never been used to reference an internal invisible gender ID

And they can't and shouldn't be used to reference gender presentation because that takes us back to the repressive ideas that GNC people are not 'real men' etc.

It just doesn't make any sense and introduces so many repressive ideas and I can't understand why that isn't recognised.

Fact. Literally fact. Sex terms are male and female. Gender terms are man and woman. That is a fact.

Umm...nope. literally not a fact. I could make a little image on a flowery background as further proof, but I can't be bothered frankly. And I'm not silly enough to think that something I made is actually proof of anything.

@Erkrie

It’s thrown me slightly as im sure one of mine turned up in green

Ahh. Baby frog.

That explains a lot

@ASugarr You are advocating for young Muslim women in France, that is admirable. What do you think about young Muslim women not wanting to share their sex based spaces with male bodied people due to their religious beliefs? Such as not being able to participate in female only swimming sessions as there are male bodied people using the changing rooms and in the swimming pool? What would advice would you give a young Muslim woman who had this dilemma?

@WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo

Fact. Literally fact. Sex terms are male and female. Gender terms are man and woman. That is a fact.

Umm...nope. literally not a fact. I could make a little image on a flowery background as further proof, but I can't be bothered frankly. And I'm not silly enough to think that something I made is actually proof of anything.

Well if the dictionary is the only thing that's right then these must also be 100% accurate too! And you must agree also!

What about the young vagina owners who burnt to death.

Described as girls. That's incorrect right? Should be children with vulvas or something.

Really????

• Fact. Literally fact. Sex terms are male and female. Gender terms are man and woman. That is a fact.

Have you still not got this simple thing correct?

Sex terms - for any species including plants - are male and female. (Bull/cow, boar/sow, silver queen/golden king holly etc etc). Man and woman are the species specific sex terms for human.