Gender Criticals vandalise LGBT centre and deface memorial to trans woman.

[Shizuku]

This is happening in Spain.

twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1378633917482332163

twitter.com/EcosyTinta/status/1368272074972729349

I disagree with any kind of vandalism and to do it on a memorial is just disgraceful.
However someone spray painting the equivalent of 'down with the patriarchy' on a gender centre is not the same as the hung effigies of women, 'kill all terfs', the guillotines, bomb threats and assaults at women's talks, or the endless nooses and guns pointed at women on social media.
Let's be honest. This particular bit of vandalism was the exception to the rule. The constant targeting of women by trans activists isn't an exception. It is the rule.
I'm a little tired of trans activists pretending otherwise.
This is nothing other than the equivalent of an MRA pointing at the extremely rare female sex offender and using it to pretend that women are just as bad.
Clean up the shit in your own movement, Shizuku, before gleefully pointing a finger at us because you've come across a rare example of a supposedly GC person being disrespectful.
It's not the GC movement who are carrying out 99.9% of the vandalism, threats and abuse.

I’ve pored through the Twitter photos of the graffitied LGBT building, and I can’t find any death threats, threats of violence or pornographic abuse.

The slogans simply make feminist points, eg that ‘Queer’ is now a misogynistic movement and that women’s oppression is sex-based.

Graffiti is ugly, but it’s a non-violent response to some very aggressive male actions, including physical violence. Threats of rape, injury and death are standard in TRA communications against women. The dead rat nailed to a Rape Crisis Centre door would have scared a fair number of victims off trying to access help. So the feminists are being comparatively polite.

The other photo shows slogans painted over a transwoman’s memorial. Again, it’s just discourtesy, and the message is political — opposing patriarchy and the Montero law that would weaken women’s rights by replacing sex with gender:
thefreeonline.wordpress.com/2021/02/22/feminist-collective-protests-against-proposed-trans-and-lgtbi-laws-at-spanish-equality-ministry/

But I do disapprove of defacing anyone’s memorial. Even with a slogan I agree with.

No death threats, Feck. All reasonable feminist slogans. The only offence is that they’re graffiti, and in one case on the glass cover over a memorial, easily cleaned off.

A lot of whataboutism going on here.

It's not always a fallacy to use "whataboutism". It depends on context.

For people condemning the vandalism, but hoping the other side also condemns the violence and rape threats coming from elements within that position, what is wrong with that exactly?

Also, if certain people get super-righteous over this, while ignoring the behaviour on their own side, again, it could be a fair point yes?

[quote MiddayMadDog]@DimidDavilby

I trust you have made similar comments about TRAs and the many, many violent words and actions, physical assault, threats of physical assault death and rape, dehumanisation they have made against GC women? If not, why not?

I can't read Spanish but from the OP, it doesn't sound like the vandalism here was making violent or sexual threats. More a political point. Not exactly in the same league as the TRA tactics.

@Shizuku What are you views on the TRA tactics against GC women?[/quote]
"@Shizuku What are you views on the TRA tactics against GC women?"

I openly condemn direct threats of violence against anyone. It's something that's quite important to me having been sexually assaulted and beaten up several times and having seen a trans friend partially paralysed by a transphobic attack.

Oh and TRAs, including prominent ones such as Rachel McKinnon, were practically queuing up to denounce the vandalism of VRR as a false flag. Some of them were flat out saying the women who run the place had done it themselves.

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

I’ve pored through the Twitter photos of the graffitied LGBT building, and I can’t find any death threats, threats of violence or pornographic abuse.

The slogans simply make feminist points, eg that ‘Queer’ is now a misogynistic movement and that women’s oppression is sex-based.

Graffiti is ugly, but it’s a non-violent response to some very aggressive male actions, including physical violence. Threats of rape, injury and death are standard in TRA communications against women. The dead rat nailed to a Rape Crisis Centre door would have scared a fair number of victims off trying to access help. So the feminists are being comparatively polite.

The other photo shows slogans painted over a transwoman’s memorial. Again, it’s just discourtesy, and the message is political — opposing patriarchy and the Montero law that would weaken women’s rights by replacing sex with gender:
thefreeonline.wordpress.com/2021/02/22/feminist-collective-protests-against-proposed-trans-and-lgtbi-laws-at-spanish-equality-ministry/

But I do disapprove of defacing anyone’s memorial. Even with a slogan I agree with.

You don't think LGB and particularly T people who use that centre will find it at all threatening?

The slogan on the glass cover over the memorial (which was quickly cleaned off) says “Down with the Montero law”, which would allow self-ID, NotBad.
www.anarchistfederation.net/feminist-collective-protests-against-proposed-trans-and-lgtbi-laws-at-spanish-equality-ministry/

Women are basically opposing the loss of single-sex rights the UK government tried to slip past us in 2019, with proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act 2004. But as in Spain, women over here stood up for our rights.

www.alamy.com/stock-photo/political-graffiti-in-spain.html

Political graffiti is not unusual in Spain see above. Why would a a slogan saying sex≠ gender be threatening?

@Seventrees

"Sex is not gender", "My oppression is not your identity" " Buying babies"

That is definitely gender critical sentiments. I agree with the sentiments, I disagree with writing it in spray paint all over a memorial. It's going to really suck for the person who has to pressure wash that off.

So sex≠ gender is a sign of cis privilege? Can you explain please?

You don't think LGB and particularly T people who use that centre will find it at all threatening?

Offensive, yes, Shizuku*. Threatening, no. It’s not backed by any reality or history of violence or death threats by women, so what’s to be scared of?

I discount TWs’ claims of being frightened by unarmed non-threatening women taking non-violent actions, the same way I discount their claims that using their previous name “literally kills” them.

And that's what we call "cis privilege".

What do we call hanging up effigies of women people don’t agree with & nailing dead rats to the doors of rape shelters?

And that's what we call "cis privilege".

The victims of rape who had to see the rape shelter covered in misogynistic, violent graffiti, and dead rats nailed to their door 'privileged' too? That not threatening?

And that's what we call "cis privilege".

Is it a "privilege" to be aware that biological sex is real?

I guess some people might reasonably be considered "disadvantaged" if they are unable to recognize the reality of sex difference.

Privilege? Is that because women actually rule the world?

I must’ve missed that privilege. Explain this to me?

There is no threat to physical safety. Why should LGB and particularly T people find it threatening when the message is non violent?

All it says is stuff like down with the patriarchy and sex isn’t gender. It’s pretty innocuous stuff.

As I said, I find the graffiti on the memorial shocking as o disagree with graffiti on a memorial stone...but maybe you should take a walk in Pere-Lachaise. So much graffiti on the gravestones of the famous there. I can’t imagine it having all been complementary.

I disagree with vandalism. The point could have been made by nailing something to the building or attaching it in some way.

Something like a rat?

That is definitely gender critical sentiments. I agree with the sentiments, I disagree with writing it in spray paint all over a memorial. It's going to really suck for the person who has to pressure wash that off

Already done it would seem. By a couple of community spirited lads who happened to have something to clean it off in their back pocket, and the camera at the ready to post on social media. It further cemented their community mindedness when they were able to explain to passerby's who were asking what had happened, about the bad GC people who must have done this.

Jolly good show...

"It says "you are the patriarchy, down with Montero's law". Irene Montero is our gov head of equality and has been fighting for a pretty progressive trans equality act, which they oppose with the usual rethoric (Men in dresses, erasure of "real" women, bathroom panic...)"

from article linked above:

February 22, 2021
'Feminist collective protests against proposed Trans and LGTBI laws at Spanish Equality ministry'
(extract)
"A group of protesters, called by Espacio Feminista Radical (EFR), have gathered this Saturday at noon before the Ministry of Equality, in Madrid, to denounce the consequences that, in their opinion, will have the identity laws – Trans Law and LGTBI Law-– drafted by the department of Irene Montero.

According to the protesters (several dozen), both norms “criminalize feminist discourse.” One of the spokespersons for EFR, Laura Arribas, has insisted that the group she represents does not go against the rights of any person but simply defends the rights of women. (continues)

Conflict in the Government

The PSOE and Podemos Parties, increasingly opposed by the ‘trans law’
“The Montero law aims to shield the right to ‘self-identification registration’ of sex”, explain the spokespersons of EFR, which, in their opinion, is “a frontal attack on the rights of women in Spain” that “will affect many areas such as positive measures contained in the Equality Law or, the collection of truthful statistics about violence and structural inequality suffered by women “.

They also believe that “it will violate the security and privacy of women in public locker rooms, shelters for victims of sexual and sexist violence, female modules in prisons and nursing homes. Not to mention the total destruction of women’s sport, turning it into mixed sport.”

“Making gender an identity by law is to undermine the historical achievements of feminism. And criminalizing criticism of gender identity, as the Ministry claims in the leaked draft of the LGTBI Law, means criminalizing feminist thought,” (continues)

Some of the slogans seem to be about paid surrogacy, which is illegal in Spain. Does the centre help men find surrogate mothers in Ukraine and other countries? Otherwise it’s a bit of a random.

Criminalising feminist thought? Yes, I can see why some people would find that ‘progressive’.