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Chauvin trial re George Floyd - Sky News

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chilling19 · 31/03/2021 08:42

Is anyone watching this? With the really upsetting and unarguable against video footage I can't see how the defence can build a case. Also the baiting by the defence lawyer of the female EMT witness was horrendous, as was the judge telling her off. She held her ground though, as did the previous child (female) witnesses.

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elgreco · 01/04/2021 23:30

I don't this this is a feminist issue and I am suspicious as to the reasons it has been posted here.

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 01/04/2021 23:31

I don't think I had ever been under the impression from media reporting that George Floyd was a saint or innocent of any crime. My position is that no-one deserves what happened to him whatever their crimes.

It's victim blaming and it's the same as when people try to say rape victims have to be 'innocent' not drunk or wearing a short skirt and preferably a virgin.
Like people didn't care too much about Peter Sutcliffe whilst he was just murdering prostitutes but when he started to kill 'innocent women' like Jayne MacDonald 2 yrs later the police took more notice.

Anything GF may have done before isn't a justification for him to be killed in the street.

NeedToKnow101 · 01/04/2021 23:33

@elgreco

I don't this this is a feminist issue and I am suspicious as to the reasons it has been posted here.
I know what you mean. There is definitely a bit of a smear campaign against this board at the moment.
Erkrie · 01/04/2021 23:33

elgreco no it's not a feminist issue. I'm not sure why it's here either.

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 01/04/2021 23:34

Report and ask for it to be moved?

Delphinium20 · 01/04/2021 23:34

Chauvin was part of the 3rd precinct and there have been numerous reports over the years of dubious and racist behavior by the police at that precinct.

www.startribune.com/third-precinct-served-as-playground-for-renegade-cops/571076562/

www.cbsnews.com/news/mark-bohnsack-minneapolis-police-department-reinstated-racist-christmas-tree-decorations/

Also, RT Rybak, a well respected former mayor of Minneapolis, also lays out reasons why this police department is particularly problematic.

www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/02/mayor-minneapolis-police-racism-294985

Delphinium20 · 01/04/2021 23:36

Also, I agree this probably shouldn't be on feminism board.

BlackWaveComing · 01/04/2021 23:39

@elgreco

I don't this this is a feminist issue and I am suspicious as to the reasons it has been posted here.
I'm also confused as to how this is a feminist issue.
Erkrie · 01/04/2021 23:39

Anything GF may have done before isn't a justification for him to be killed in the street.

Of course not. That should go without saying.

Erkrie · 01/04/2021 23:40

I've reported anyway. Down to MNHQ what they decide to do.

Psuedoshoes · 01/04/2021 23:42

Urgh. It's like it's been posted to paint feminists as bigots. Most of us aren't- I hope Chauvin gets a guilty verdict and the disgusting racist goes down for a long time

elgreco · 01/04/2021 23:47

Of course it has. There is a definite pattern.

BlackWaveComing · 01/04/2021 23:50

I'm also unsure of why, basic decency aside, a British forum is meant to be devoting time to viewing (on Sky, no less) an American trial.

Captpike · 01/04/2021 23:59

Deserved it? I'm female. I'm not a testosterone driven murderer. You are going to have to ask a testosterone driven murder that question. Do you think they might have the answer to your "deserve it" question? It is not a question that I would ever ask.

Not sure what you being a woman or not a murderer has to do with it. In your deleted post you seemed to be implying that GF somehow deserved what happened to him for being a "violent man ".

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 01/04/2021 23:59

Pretty failed attempt then

I think it's clear there is common ground between campaigning against racism and campaigning against sexism

Victim blaming is common to both
What aboutery also
NAMALT akin to ALM

It's weird that the thread is here but it won't make feminists look bigoted because we are not.

Jabba2020 · 02/04/2021 00:22

There is and will never be any justification for a police officer to kneel on a persons neck for 9 minutes.
For a third of that he wasn't moving therefore it stopped being about restraint and became something else.
The other officers present are also responsible for not stopping this from happening.
Regardless of the sort of man GF was, police are not above the law, they are there to uphold it whilst remaining professional, impartial and conducting themselves in a manner that deserves respect. They let down the entire police force and I hope they get put away for a long time.

NiceGerbil · 02/04/2021 00:34

All depends covoid- anyone can post! People who don't usually etc etc

I've been asking from the start why this is in this topic.

And covoid while many arguments are similar, that doesn't mean white people who don't like sexism understand what racism feels like. Women who experience racism do obviously but if that's not you then while you may think xyz you don't really know do you.

This thread is not related to feminism and I don't know why OP put it here. The correct place is in the news or similar- where I would be more than happy to get into the conversation. As I am with the govt report that just came out.

Has OP been back?

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 02/04/2021 00:41

I reported it to ask for it to be moved and I hope other people will do/ have done likewise

NiceGerbil · 02/04/2021 00:43

'It's weird that the thread is here but it won't make feminists look bigoted because we are not.'

You think that every woman in the world who is interested in women's rights is insurgent incapable of racism?

Or just... On here? I mean it would be nice to think so but who knows. I mean people are complicated. Inconsistent.

I would also point out this is an open forum and anyone can post anything anywhere.

And additionally that a lot of posters at the moment are here on a single issue. On anything else, who knows.

Anyway. This is an issue about
USA
Police brutality
Racism
There are linked issues as well eg the opoid addiction crisis in the USA

There are better places on this site to discuss it.

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 02/04/2021 00:48

Yes agreed hence I reported it and asked it be moved

But whilst it was here I thought it would be good to reply to ensure that it doesn't appear most people on FWR are bigoted in case that was the intention

SmokedDuck · 02/04/2021 00:56

@NiceGerbil

I can't believe that people have watched that video of him being killed and still find excuses.
Where do you see anyone excusing them? No one thinks that they did the right thing.

Whether or not he actually died of a drug overdose or not is a factual point. It's not impossible as he had just taken a lot of drugs while already high.

Whether or not their motivations were some sort of racism, or something else, is also not an excuse for the actions taken. Another factual point which we may or may not find out the answer to.

There is something really wrong when applying anything but some approved narrative to events where there are facts we don't know, or which could mean several things, is seen as unbelievable. That's the only way to actually analyse anything.

NiceGerbil · 02/04/2021 01:05

'Whether or not he actually died of a drug overdose or not is a factual point'

So he happened to die on a drug overdose while that bloke knelt on his neck? Not connected at all? He'd have dropped dead outside anyway?

Case closed!

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 02/04/2021 01:09

He died because his heart stopped
Whether the cause of his heart stopping was asphyxiation or drug overdose is the question
I very much doubt that asphyxiation could be proved to have had nothing to do with it even if drugs were also involved. Surely a jury is going to have a hard time believing that 9 minutes of having your airway blocked has nothing to do with your heart stopping at that exact moment.
It's going to have to be some post mortem report to cast reasonable doubt on what people's eyes can tell them.

Whether the crime was racially motivated or not matters less than whether it was a criminal act or not. You don't have to prove any particular motivation to show it was homicide.

ismiseeire · 02/04/2021 01:10

@VladmirsPoutine

Or white women who are not believed.

My heart truly bleeds for them. They have it the worst of all groups.

What a callous thing to say.
ChocolateCrackles · 02/04/2021 02:11

I do not understand why it is assumed racist and unkind to critique popular cultural narratives and I refuse to buy in to that kind of emotional manipulation.