Sisters Uncut

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Sisters uncut who are said to be a driving force in turning last nights gathering from a vigil to a protest are now protesting on behalf of “women murdered by the state”.

Two of these “women” are rapists who brutalised children.

How can anyone be ok with this?

As people have said, there are some good comments on the Reclaim These Streets threads and the admins seem to be doing an okay job. So it doesn't look as though Sisters Uncut owns them or is able to dictate to them. But jesus, what a mess.

On that subject, has anyone else seen some photos of Patsy Stevenson being held by police but not in a mask where it suddenly becomes very obvious that they've been posed? I found myself last night at paranoid o'clock wondering if the ones all over the newspapers (where she's masked) had been posed too. Easy enough to don a hi-vis jacket and mask and look like a policeman. They're very tidy and very clear. Just the police and the one red-haired woman, who's now boasting on twitter about having 'gone viral' - and once again, Sarah Everard's name has disappeared from the narrative.

Btw it's Ms – not Mrs! Gah! Don't make my trousers more grumpy!

@jj1968

- a lot of women don't realise the 'project' they've 'joined' is actually to dismantle the police.

I think the hundreds of women who surrounded Scotland Yard last night chanting fuck the police are well aware of what they've joined. Feminists have long had an analysis of how patriarchal institutions like the police perpetuate male violence and they are carrying on in that tradition.

"Fuck the police" isn't the same as "Get rid of the police and set all offenders free" though is it? (I still think it's pretty tasteless myself.)

Again, as with the list of "women killed by the police" I have to wonder if these women really know what they are supporting.

[quote CaveMum]Sunlight! Zac Goldsmith is tweeting about Sisters Uncut and their support of male rapists that identify as women.

twitter.com/zacgoldsmith/status/1371436985731198976?s=21[/quote]
A Tory man most famous for fighting a racist election campaign is probably not the hero young feminists are looking for.

The main feminist critique of the police is that they fail to deliver protection and justice to women. Sisters Uncut think that's a good thing. They wouldn't arrest flashers and domestic abusers too.

Correction to my earlier post it was manchester resisters who held the anti rape protest.
Not spinners.
Apologies.

Did they also set off smoke bombs at Grenfell Tower or was that a different group?

Different group I think.

For balance the demands of Sisters Uncut are listed below:

These are our demands:

Provide the funding needed for specialist domestic violence services to meet the needs of all survivors.

A long term funding plan from central, local, and devolved government. Funding must go to specialist organisations. Services must be run for survivors not for profit.

The services funded must offer flexible, trauma-informed support from the early stages, through crisis and into recovery. They must be accessible to all survivors, who must be able to choose to access services run for and by their community.

Sexual abuse services are in crisis. We demand long term, secure funding for specialist sexual violence services that provide advocacy, health care, and counselling both in crisis and through long term recovery.

Poverty, economic insecurity, and welfare cuts kill. We demand universal access to a benefits system that treats people with respect; a real living wage; reproductive justice; and health and social care provision. There is no safety without welfare.

The UK immigration system is racist and violent.  Access to safety and services should not be dependent on immigration status. End no recourse to public funds.

Survivors are being trapped in violent situations by councils refusing them housing. We demand access to safe and secure social housing for all, with priority to survivors. Build more council homes.

The cycle of violence must be broken through a holistic and comprehensive LGBTQI+ inclusive strategy to educate all on gender, sex and relationships, and systemic power dynamics, led by survivors and specialist services.

The criminal justice system does not work for survivors. We need a system that does not ignore, neglect and re-traumatise. Survivors must not be criminalised.

The family court system requires complete reform in order to provide safety for survivors. Guarantee access to legal aid.

www.sistersuncut.org/feministo/

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Did they also set off smoke bombs at Grenfell Tower or was that a different group?

Different group I think.

That was the London Bi Pandas.

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/smoke-bomb-protest-outside-expelme-rally-near-grenfell-tower-sparks-sensitivity-row#:~:text=Protest%20co-organisers%20London%20Bi,and%20non-binary%20people.”&text=London%20Bi%20Pandas%20said%3A%20“We,smoke%20bombs%20in%20our%20protest.

"On that subject, has anyone else seen some photos of Patsy Stevenson being held by police but not in a mask where it suddenly becomes very obvious that they've been posed?"
The thought has crossed my mind.
I find it odd that she appears to be wearing a mask in some and not others.
All getting abit weird.
And to suggest that there wouldnt have been a 'demo' as that person on Facebook kept calling it, without sisters uncut is just bonkers.
It was supposed to be a vigil not a demo you arseholes.

A Tory man most famous for fighting a racist election campaign is probably not the hero young feminists are looking for.

I'd argue that a group paying tribute to convicted rapists and paedophiles aren't exactly heroes to women, young or old, either...

The Grenfell Tower smoke bomb was London Bi Pandas, IIRC. There was an article in Diva magazine.

Thanks for posting the SU manifesto, jj1968.

There is no mention of male violence, and there is no mention of women. The only mention of “sex” refers to sexual activity. I would like to know how SU defines ‘survivor’ (a group of people eligible for special treatment), and whether ‘reproductive justice’ includes males’ access to women’s reproductive systems for the purpose of surrogacy.

"Sisters Uncut set a gang of masked males on a flash mob arranged by rape centres last year. The women were protesting rape culture. The "sisters" stood with the men terrorising rape victims."

twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1371141569923985408?s=20

Yes indeed, Daca. It's quite incoherent, isn't it? Not focused enough for a manifesto, at all. And then you start to wonder whether the vagueness is deliberate. Whether it's men's rights hiding in a feminist costume, again.

This is one of my favourite Larson cartoons but is feeling more and more like real life....

There is no mention of male violence, and there is no mention of women.
I noticed that too about the Sisters Uncut demands.

There's a page on Facebook called London Crime watch which lists all the offences policemen (only one woman on the list) have committed in 2020. A lot of sexual offences including child porn. Quite scary.

There's no need for "balance" in relation to groups celebrating the lives of paedophiles and rapists of women and children, let alone a group that engages in acts of intimidation, threats and violence against women.

Hopefully as there is an increasing awareness of what this group say and do in real life, most women will quietly back away from them in horror at what they represent.

"On that subject, has anyone else seen some photos of Patsy Stevenson being held by police but not in a mask where it suddenly becomes very obvious that they've been posed?"
Am I the first person to notice she was using the PA system? I find it difficult to believe she's not SU.

Have a look at the Subject Access stream at 2:34:42 (if it's not private) - my screen grab is a bit dark & blurry.

What struck me about that SU manifesto was the missing word.

Women.

Interesting omission, for "feminists".

yes - feminist becomes anyone who wants equality anyone, woman becomes anyone who wants or feels to be a woman. Female is becoming the gender of anyone who feels like a woman.

sorry - female is the sex of anyone who feels feminine.

[quote jj1968]For balance the demands of Sisters Uncut are listed below:

These are our demands:

Provide the funding needed for specialist domestic violence services to meet the needs of all survivors.

A long term funding plan from central, local, and devolved government. Funding must go to specialist organisations. Services must be run for survivors not for profit.

The services funded must offer flexible, trauma-informed support from the early stages, through crisis and into recovery. They must be accessible to all survivors, who must be able to choose to access services run for and by their community.

Sexual abuse services are in crisis. We demand long term, secure funding for specialist sexual violence services that provide advocacy, health care, and counselling both in crisis and through long term recovery.

Poverty, economic insecurity, and welfare cuts kill. We demand universal access to a benefits system that treats people with respect; a real living wage; reproductive justice; and health and social care provision. There is no safety without welfare.

The UK immigration system is racist and violent.  Access to safety and services should not be dependent on immigration status. End no recourse to public funds.

Survivors are being trapped in violent situations by councils refusing them housing. We demand access to safe and secure social housing for all, with priority to survivors. Build more council homes.

The cycle of violence must be broken through a holistic and comprehensive LGBTQI+ inclusive strategy to educate all on gender, sex and relationships, and systemic power dynamics, led by survivors and specialist services.

The criminal justice system does not work for survivors. We need a system that does not ignore, neglect and re-traumatise. Survivors must not be criminalised.

The family court system requires complete reform in order to provide safety for survivors. Guarantee access to legal aid.

www.sistersuncut.org/feministo/[/quote]
So, not woman centred at all then.

Sounds like time for a name change: Siblings Uncut?

The first Woman's Place meeting I ever attended (in 2018) had to be held in a secret location in the city only revealed by email a few hours before. When we got there, there was a police patrol car in the laneway (we were meeting in a pretty secluded central city hall) 2 PCs at the door, plus several private security guards (amazing women) around the building. As I left, they went out to check that the lane way was clear for me to walk back to the main railway station, as I had to return on my own.

This was because all around the city for 48 hours before the meeting, and all over social media, Sisters Uncut had threatened to stop the meeting, with violence of necessary. In the end, they couldn't find out where it was, but I've seen what they've done at other meetings.

This was all a just a couple of months into the 4 months I had to spend dealing with a nasty doxxing + attempt to get me sacked because of my alleged 'transphobia' - I was very nervous even going to this meeting.

They are not 'sisters' and I find the 'uncut' bit too close to a reference to male genitalia for comfort. Ironic, at the very least.

So, not woman centred at all then.

Why would jj be so happy to carry on defending them then? 🤔