Sisters Uncut

[PegasusReturns]

Sisters uncut who are said to be a driving force in turning last nights gathering from a vigil to a protest are now protesting on behalf of “women murdered by the state”.

Two of these “women” are rapists who brutalised children.

How can anyone be ok with this?

And to suggest that there wouldnt have been a 'demo' as that person on Facebook kept calling it, without sisters uncut is just bonkers.
It was supposed to be a vigil not a demo you arseholes

People, mainly women, would have continued to arrive, lay tributes to Sarah, and take a moment's reflection, as they had been doing and continue to do.

Where’s the daily mail when you need them? (Drums fingers)

A Tory man most famous for fighting a racist election campaign is probably not the hero young feminists are looking for.

Agreed @jj1968, men telling women how to feminist better is so annoying.

We are Sisters Uncut. As women and gender-variant people who live under the threat of domestic violence, we fight alongside all those who experience domestic, sexual, gendered, and state violence in their daily lives. We are fighting for our right to live in safety. We are fighting for our lives.Austerity is a political choice with fatal consequences. Cuts make it harder to leave dangerous situations, live safely, and heal from trauma. Safety is a right not a privilege.Doors are being slammed on survivors of violence. Refuges are being shut down, legal aid has been cut, social housing is scarce and the benefits system is being destroyed. The government is building prisons not refuges, opening immigration detention centres not Rape Crisis centres, and arming the police, not funding mental health support. Vital domestic violence services are being de-specialised by local councils who are selling off contracts to the lowest bidder.To secure safety for survivors, we must also fight the other forms of oppression that we face. As intersectional feminists we understand that a person’s individual experience of violence is affected by interconnecting and mutually reinforcing systems of oppression. These include but are not limited to: sexism, racism, anti-blackness, classism, disableism, ageism, homophobia, transphobia, transmisogyny, whorephobia, fat-phobia, islamophobia, and antisemitism. We fight for the safety of all of our siblings: we work in solidarity with the movements for trans liberation and sex worker rights.Domestic and sexual violence do not exist in a vacuum. The systems of power and privilege in our society enable and protect the actions of perpetrators. This creates a cycle of violence, which can only be broken through transforming society.To those in power, our message is this: your cuts are violent, your cuts are dangerous, and you think that you can get away with them because you have targeted people who you perceive as powerless.We are those people. We are Sisters Uncut. We will not be silenced.

Introduction to demands listed above.

All this about Sisters Uncut and how staged were the pictures etc., have been coverd on other threads, so not sure why this is being covered again.

What is worrying is that on a number of occassion Sisters Uncut have been discussed on FWR and somehow the info doesn't get through.

How are we going to move our discussion forward if everytime we have a thread we have to go over old ground.

Sisters Uncut's aims may or may not be of interest.

The problem is they are parastic activists. Like the SWP they hijack a genuine agenda to do what seems to be little more than get their pictures in the paper and their name repeated.

They have form in terms of intruding of other women's planned protests. eg a 50:50 demonstration at the premiere of suffragette. ie not to be violent but raise points about women's representation. Then at the last moment Sisters Uncut turn up and let of smoke bombs. The photographers for the papers are thrilled. They dont care about substance they want an image.

This is what they do the whole time.

It wasn't just Sisters Uncut it was Women's Strike previously known as Wages for Housework, legendary for their entryism into existing women's groups. They have a fatal impact on Greenham Women's Common group.

It's irrelevant what they say. It is what they do. They ape the tactics of the SWP. They are about confrontation for publicity.

And the worse part is that they know that the media will fall for it every time because it is a photo op.

Dont you think it is very strange how the media has not been reporting the arrival of SWP, SU & WS all heavily announced in advance via facebook etc.. (Hence the increase in police presence).

If it had been some sort march with the usual suspects, ie the Black Bloc doing something eye catching like climbing Winston Churchill's statue even though the MSM would love the photo op they would go a small faction caused trouble.

Why does anyone think even the right wing papers are blaming the police and accepting the narrative of poor innocent woman (aspiring actress manhandled by big burly men.

I just wish there was some way we could take discussions onto another level instead of going over the same things over and over again.

sometimes mumsnet is like a greek chorus.

Vital domestic violence services are being despecialised..

I find this rather ironic given that I am sure this group would have supported the defunding of the Rise Shelter in Brighton and the 3 Women's Aid shelters in North Lanarkshire.

@PegasusReturns

Sisters uncut who are said to be a driving force in turning last nights gathering from a vigil to a protest are now protesting on behalf of “women murdered by the state”.

Two of these “women” are rapists who brutalised children.

How can anyone be ok with this?

So you are for the murder of a woman by police/prison authorities if her crime is bad enough? Well wow. Nice way to wipe out the murder / deaths of 98 other women you deem unworthy of state murder in one extreme statement as well. Top marks.

Stumbledin I agree that a lot of the discussion here is going over old ground.

But the events of the past week have brought many new women into the conversation. I feel massive frustration at the money being donated to an anonymous, week-old Twitter campaign because kind people want a way to express their sorrow at a murder.

The more conversations there are about SU and other groups hijacking the vigils and campaigns the better, to protect newcomers to the conversations from the propaganda these groups spread. Not everyone has been reading or involved as long as many of the FWR regulars have. Personally I have a visceral revulsion towards SU but I've been reading about them for years. People new to this need help to disentangle the truth from the lies.

"So you are for the murder of a woman by police/prison authorities if her crime is bad enough? "
No.
The people in question are male pedophile rapists
Who killed themselves.
Not murder of women by police.
As I'm sure you know.

DisgustedofManchester are you referring to the male paedophiles who were convicted of child rape, who killed themselves in prison?

They are not 'sisters' and I find the 'uncut' bit too close to a reference to male genitalia for comfort. Ironic, at the very least.

There were several anti-austerity campaigns which named themselves uncut following the successful UKUncut protests against corporate tax dodgers.

It has nothing to do with trans people or male genitals.

@PenguindreamsofDraco

A Tory man most famous for fighting a racist election campaign is probably not the hero young feminists are looking for.

Agreed @jj1968, men telling women how to feminist better is so annoying.

I'm not telling anyone how to do anything. I'm defending a group which just organised the largest feminist mobilisation in the UK in over a decade because some people seem intent on destroying them.

@334bu

*Vital domestic violence services are being despecialised..*

I find this rather ironic given that I am sure this group would have supported the defunding of the Rise Shelter in Brighton and the 3 Women's Aid shelters in North Lanarkshire.

Of course they wouldn't. They have been actively involved in fighting against VAWG sector cuts in Brighton: www.gscene.com/news/brighton-demonstration-to-condemn-cuts-to-womens-services/

What have you done?

People defending an organisation that honours paedophiles and rapists - what's that saying??

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time ...

No-one on here is the least bit surprised at you supporting and defending Sisters Uncut jj1968, why would we be, your posting history shows exactly what you think of women and how ready you are to dismiss and disparage them.

@jj1968: 'Of course they wouldn't. They have been actively involved in fighting against VAWG sector cuts in Brighton: www.gscene.com/news/brighton-demonstration-to-condemn-cuts-to-womens-services/'

That article is several years' old. Rise recently lost their contract to provide DV shelters and phone support to women suffering from abuse.

www.theargus.co.uk/news/19123562.rise-protests-contract-loss-brighton-seafront/

SU were nowhere to be seen.

www.theargus.co.uk/news/19123652.lloyd-russell-moyle-confronts-officers-brighton-protest/?ref=ar

This woman was leading chants and refused to give her name and address. Wasn't arrested.

@persistentwoman

People defending an organisation that honours paedophiles and rapists - what's that saying??

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time ...

Yes!

So you are for the murder of a woman by police/prison authorities if her crime is bad enough? Well wow. Nice way to wipe out the murder / deaths of 98 other women you deem unworthy of state murder in one extreme statement as well. Top marks.

Yeah, nice try.

The people in question are male rapists, one of whom is a child rapist, yep he raped little children, and they committed suicide in prison.

Do people actually think anyone is going to buy this bullshit being peddled by Sisters Uncut?

That article is several years' old. Rise recently lost their contract to provide DV shelters and phone support to women suffering from abuse.

I'm aware of that. Rise are also qiote openly trans inclusive so I have no idea why anyone would think Sisters Uncut would support them losing funding. It seems like little more than a smear.

Do people actually think anyone is going to buy this bullshit being peddled by Sisters Uncut?

Unfortunately they do as is shown on this thread.

I'm not telling anyone how to do anything. I'm defending a group which just organised the largest feminist mobilisation in the UK in over a decade because some people seem intent on destroying them.

I think you are giving them slightly more credit than there deserve there! It was a vigil for a murdered female (you know one of those ones who have 'cis privilege') that Sisters Uncut joined in on.

Sisters Uncut don't care about male violence or protecting women - Patsy Stevenson didn't even bother to mention Sarah Everard's name, Sisters Uncut physically stopped women from having a meeting in Bristol, they defended a male who had punched a woman in her 60s in the face, and now there are expecting people to be sympathetic to child rapists who, with minimal digging, you find out took their own lives and were not victims of 'police brutality'. And they gaslight people by insisting that that child rapist was a woman.

'just organised the largest feminist mobilisation in the UK in over a decade' my absolute arse.

@Biscuitsanddoombar

Do you know who to contact to get your donation back?

Does anyone else know? 🙏

I’m desperate to get my donation back, I’m furious with myself.

I think you are able via the platform that was hosting the collection. Do let the platform know why!

The people in question are male rapists, one of whom is a child rapist, yep he raped little children, and they committed suicide in prison.

and jj1968's reaction to that information being tweeted was to comment on the person who tweeted it, says it all really.

I read somewhere that if you contact Crowdjustice? (or whoever hosted) you can get your donation returned because so many have complained about sisters uncut being involved and the lack of transparency.