Sisters Uncut

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Sisters uncut who are said to be a driving force in turning last nights gathering from a vigil to a protest are now protesting on behalf of “women murdered by the state”.

Two of these “women” are rapists who brutalised children.

How can anyone be ok with this?

I think most people understand that if you are going to produce a list of people who have died in prison or in custody some people on that list will have done awful things. That doesn't mean we should have a criminal justice system that drives people to suicide in some cases.

Sorry, but how do you, or anyone else, know what drove those rapists to suicide?

And why should we be paying 'tribute' to a child rapist in any way? A child rapist that has absolutely no fucking place on a list of women anyway?

He raped little kids. Not. A. Woman.

trying to destroy the organisation that inspired these protests

SU did not inspire these protests
They hijacked an existing event and are now leveraging the attention to push their own agenda of anti carceral intersectional feminist acab ideology

the organisation that inspired these protests

Also, correct me if I'm wrong
But isn't the inspiration for these protests the death of a woman, Sarah Everard, at the hands of man?

Or has she been forgotten at the expense of whatever this group's inspired?

@continuallyconflating

trying to destroy the organisation that inspired these protests

SU did not inspire these protests
They hijacked an existing event and are now leveraging the attention to push their own agenda of anti carceral intersectional feminist acab ideology

Well their agenda seems hugely popular, that's why there's been thousands of people prepared to risk arrest and join them. Anti-carceral feminism is hardly fringe, especially in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests, it is pretty mainstream amongst black and younger feminists.

SU did not inspire these protests.
Reclaim these streets tried to work with the police to organise peaceful vigils in respect for Sarah Everard.
RtS pulled out when they couldn't get the go ahead.
In come SU centering themselves and turning a peaceful vigil into a protest.
Friday night was never intended to be a protest or a demo.

And I very much doubt its their agenda getting people out tonight.
People are protesting the anti protest bill.
You dont need to be anti-carceral to have concerns about the content of the bill and how it will affect all of our rights.

@jj1968 - black and younger feminists? This seems to be implying black women can't be young and feminists. I'm sure that's not what you meant.

Tell me jj are all members of the male sex , no matter their gender identity, going to acknowledge their sex's responsibity for male violence against women.

responsibility

@JosieJarker

SU did not inspire these protests. Reclaim these streets tried to work with the police to organise peaceful vigils in respect for Sarah Everard. RtS pulled out when they couldn't get the go ahead. In come SU centering themselves and turning a peaceful vigil into a protest. Friday night was never intended to be a protest or a demo.

Neither was Sunday night or Monday night but things happened quickly. Here's the crowd at Clapham Common cheering Sisters Uncut's speech challenging the police: twitter.com/SistersUncut/status/1370847160770699266

Their message was heard, understood and has been acted on. And I doubt any amount of online sneering from the sidelines is going to change that.

Why are they shouting speeches at a peaceful vigil?
Leaves a bad taste in my mouth to be honest.
If they've got so much reach, influence and support for their agenda, they could have organised a kill the bill protest off their backs.
Im not against the protest tonight.
I think its a bad bill.
I am against hijacking a peaceful vigil to get support for that.

Their message was heard, understood and has been acted on

Strongly doubt the "understood" in the above
Considering the SU feministo directly contradicts their stance on transgender rights, there seems to be a lot of deception and smoke and mirrors around their stated aims

Wonder if they would have cheered them when they were shouting down a protest against rape ?

@MeltsAway

That Monty Python crew knew a thing or two.

Who'd have thought that slogans we laughed at as rightly ridiculous 20 years ago would now be taken seriously, to the point that women are punched, sacked, and have to raise money to take public institutions to court to clarify legal women's rights in this country.

I had a wonderfully cathartic laugh at that skit. THank you @ListeningQuietly

The next video Youtube pushed to me after the Life of Brian one was this part political broadcast John Cleese did for the SDP/Liberal Alliance in 1987. I think that the message about extremism has something which really rings true today.

Seems lots of people on the thread you shared agree with me also jj.
Bad taste to turn a peaceful vigil into a protest where they are centering themselves.

I would be astonished if many women at the vigil were anti-carceral.

I think the women present would be deeply offended at the suggestion here that their presence at the vigil was driven by a desire to show support for NOT putting rapists and murderers in prisons.

Furthermore they were not there to remember with sadness the suicide in prison of violent male rapists as equally sad as Sarah's death. Really very not. Only the nuttier members of Sister's Uncut equate the two.

Why on earth is this SU insanity not front page news? Papers usually love a story about outrageous lunatics.

It’s clear to everyone apart from JJ, that SU do not represent women....they have an extremely unpalatable ideology that male rapists should not be imprisoned for their crimes. That if a male psychopath commits suicide in prison then that is ‘murder by the state.’

Just because SU infiltrate a vigil/demo, it in no way means the crowd there support them.

Given the righteous indignation being expressed by one of the women at the meeting regarding the police ignoring her report of a sexual offence, I would hazard a guess that most of the women there would not support their anti carceral views.

As even JJ has admitted, last night's protest was not about the murder of a woman or male violence but about the policing bill. I have to hand it to SU, the speed with which they have switched the narrative is kind of impressive.

Oh and spare me the lectures, I'm aware of the concerns about the policing bill.

Not sure if this was posted up-post.
Have SistersUncut done women a favour on the whole for enabling others to shine a light on male rapists and pedophiles in women's prisons?

twitter.com/zacgoldsmith/status/1371436985731198976?s=21

Zac as a male Tory is as untouchable as you can get and his contempt of SistersUncut is spelt out loud and clear.

Did I read that they had sc*** er ‘collected’ nearly half a million. Without telling anyone where it’s actually going and without bloody gift aid?

@toffeebutterpopcorn

Did I read that they had sc*** er ‘collected’ nearly half a million. Without telling anyone where it’s actually going and without bloody gift aid?

Only a charity can claim gift aid. They're not a charity. I don't think they have bad intentions but I think this has grown out of their control very quickly

Its RtS that collected the .5mil.
Not much transparency about where that will be going but SU want their cut, there are links to Twitter and Facebook upthread about the contension around the money.
Including info on how to get a refund.

From what I can see from the RtS fb group, there doesn't seem to be a link between them and SU, some cross over of members probably, rts has 12k now.
Someone asked last night how to get involved with the protests and they were signposted to SU and extinction rebellion.

Sorry yes it’s RTS - got confused as SU have their hands out don’t they?

Yes of course gift aid - but the donation money ‘lost’ because if the missed opportunity of gift aid.