Dr Jane Clare Jones on Twitter this morning

[CaveMum]

This thread says everything for me. I’ve shared it across all my own social media this morning.

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Transmisogyny

You forgot to put the space in!

You have much to learn about trans people and about sex.

All the lols 😂

”You have much to learn about trans people and about sex.”

🤣🤣🤣

I think you have much to learn about how babies are made. A transwoman and a woman could make a baby because one of them is male and the other one is female. A transwoman and a man could not. Because they are both male.

You have much to learn about trans people and about sex.

how is babby formed? How girl get pragnent?

Trans women aren't male, but if you want evidence, try this study

Making someone’s body cosmetically more congruent and hormonally more congruent with the opposite sex does not in anyway make them the other sex.

You know, of course, that if a person stopped cross sex hormones and other drugs and the person still had working organs to produce the hormones the body was programmed to produce, the body would produce the hormones to suit the body the person was born in.

Would you recommend that transwoman have female on their medical records?

If they are not male, what sex are you suggesting they are.

And you study that you linked did not prove the statement that transwomen are not male.

"Trans women aren't male, but if you want evidence, try this study:"

If you really want to persuade people to your point of view, this is not the way to do it. Starting with an obvious lie (delusion) just tarnishes everything that follows. Personally, I didn't bother to read the rest of your post because - well, it's just going to be more lies, isn't it?

So I can only conclude that you are not acting in good faith. An obvious lie is not meant to persuade people, it is meant to goad. To prod people into an exasperated response that you can turn into a screenshot; "all the better to demonise you with, my dear!".

I find that rather sad .

Anyway, irrelevant derailments aside, Jane Clare Jones is bloody brilliant. Thanks for posting OP.

Remember that tweet where some bloke said people should give money to trans women for cabs and said can you imagine how it feels to be afraid to get home on your own etc etc

And a million women said. Hold on a fucking minute. We don't need to imagine this!

That means that it's unlikely that as many as half of all transgender prisoners have been convicted of a sexual offence - once you take into account those trans prisoners who weren't surveyed.

That's not really the point though is it? Here are the figures again.

76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%
125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%
13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%

There are 125 women in prison for sex offences and 76 transwomen. But there are many more women than transwomen, so transwomen are evidently much more likely to commit sex offences than women are. It's less clear whether they are more or less likely than men to commit sex offences. We'd need an estimate of the total number of transwomen in the UK to calculate that.

No mathematician but even if transwomen were as high as 2% of the male population in England and Wales the difference is stark.
Women 125 out of approximately 28,000,000
Transwomen 76 out of 560,000.
Apples and oranges spring to mind

That means that it's unlikely that as many as half of all transgender prisoners have been convicted of a sexual offence - once you take into account those trans prisoners who weren't surveyed.

Right... so what Shizuku has posted questions the high % of trans prisoners being in jail for sex offences overall.

Yet, all Shizuku has posted has not, in any way, dispelled that transwomen commit crimes less than males and it certainly still does not indicate that they stop committing the same types of crime as males.

And as others have pointed out. It only takes someone with basic maths to still point out there the rate of sexist offence is NOTHING like that of a woman even if there are more transwomen hidden in the statistics of other crimes because no one knows their sex.

Surely, to be adequately able to dispel such a conclusion, statistics should be accurate.

And is someone trying to tell us that these are not transwomen at all? That we shouldn’t accept someone is who they say they are?

Are you really trying to tell us that Shizuku?

Sex offence!! Damn you autocorrect...

So I just came back to this thread to find the JCJ thread to post on the horrible AIBU 'The men I know feel like this too'.

and guess what? it's been deleted. 🤬

FFS

Trans women aren't male

So what sex are they?

@CaveMum do you have a copy of the brilliant thread? It's been deleted

@FindTheTruth

So I just came back to this thread to find the JCJ thread to post on the horrible AIBU 'The men I know feel like this too'.

and guess what? it's been deleted. 🤬

FFS

Is it this thread because it's there for me - it starts:

I want a 24-hour truce in which women are not murdered walking home, or murdered by their partners, not raped, not sexually harassed and wolf-whistled on the street, in which men don't shout 'I'll fuck you later' out of car windows, try to chat us up at bus stops

twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1369914137090854914

get this

This account owner limits who can view their Tweets

I don't know how threadreaders work, but JCJ has locked her Twitter, could that be why it's not showing now?

aah that makes sense. Hope she posts it on her site then, it was brilliant

Yes, when you protect your tweets the threadreader stops working.

Thank you Maud

@UppityPuppity

Weaponising the horrendous murder of a young woman to attack the need for women’s rights is pretty despicable. Not surprising, but despicable all the same.

Yep.

@ArabellaScott

Trans women aren't male

So what sex are they?

Female.

Yeh, she seems to be locking down regularly at the moment. I wonder if she is taking more flack than usual? How can we support her? Tweet next time she unlocks?