Bunbury's Ninth Public Announcement - Hill Walking Club

[ArabellaScott]

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a4164702-Bunbury-s-Eighth-Sealion-training-for-beginners?msgid=105201850#105201850

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

This thread will be taking a leisurely stroll through the foothills of community disruption, noting the behaviour of wildlife and interesting flora and fauna en route.

I just want everyone back here. Don't mind me, I'm just sad so many good women get silenced.

Me too Arabella.

There's a reason they want us OUT of here and into our small secluded corners of the internet. Here we are among the general populace so to speak; we're not only preaching to the choir. An innocent mama from other parts of the forum might wonder here and hear our thoughts and perhaps agree? So we need to be shut down. No passersby end up on ovarit or spinster by accident, so the danger of gc thought spreading is avoided.

I am glad places like Ovarit exist but a fair few of the posters there are very much anti-motherhood which puts me off spending too much time there.

Arabella - I found Spinster a bit too frenetic and there was constant dive-bombing and sniping by TRA trolls but that was in the early days and might have calmed down a bit now.

Ovarit is much more like Mumsnet in format, so maybe easier to navigate, but less UK-focused. If I was banned from here then that is where I would go.

I just had (from admittedly a pretty brief glimpse) a sense that discussion was more Twitter-esque on Ovarit - short meme-y posts, less of the depth and careful analysis I see on here.

I do think MN is unique in the breadth and depth of discussion.

Totally agree, Arabella. There were some threads that had a mite more discussion but it was definitely more "hit and run" than Mumsnet!

I’ve checked out Ovarit as well and I agree with Kettinger, LadyFuHao, ArabellaScott and Molesmokes.

I’m glad it exists but it lacks something that Mumsnet offers. It doesn’t provide the depth or breadth of debate. I never used Reddit so perhaps I find the format less intuitive. This place is more accessible to the “innocent mamas from other parts of the forum”. Some posters on Ovarit do seem a bit anti motherhood. It is much more USA focused. I think there may be a younger user base, not sure but quite a different feel.

I find I get rather compulsive in my mumsnet use and my family complain that I am spending too much time on here! Ovarit doesn’t hold the same level of interest and I don’t find it compelling in the same way.

I use mumsnet FWR as my main source of news nowadays having given up on the Guardian and almost given up on the BBC too.

There's a GC thread on Tattle and a JKR one as well.

just checked site stuff

double down

Ridiculous.
The erratic banning is the reason why I won't pay for Premium.

Cara 💪

To be honest Roz, it is why I won't pay for premium as well. It is always the risk of erratic deleting that worries me to the point that I won't pay incase I lose my membership money.

I am very glad Ovarit exists, but like RedditGC it's not really my thing.

its pretty disappointing to have the heartfelt and detailed concerns of posters hand waved away. All people asked for was that the rules be applied to all equally and consistently and they clearly were not but apparently that's OK because reasons

I signed up for premium days ago.

Might cancel now. Away to check site stuff.

Sigh. I suspect HQ are now at the point of only being able to continue defending themselves against the onslaught of fury at women talking about women's rights and the perceived bias if they demonstrate that they are attempting to correct that bias by demonstrating heavily weighted moderation. It's essentially allowing women to continue to talk by making very clear in the PR that HQ as a team do not support them and weight their interest in the other direction.

If that's what it takes, that is what it takes. There's no point complaining about it.

How, though? Where? On Twitter? Twitter is an irrelevance! Nobody really cares, outwith a couple of dozen tweets.

This is about advertisers, presumably.

I think most companies have pretty quickly twigged that some outraged anime-illustrated tweets on a very niche social media site angrily demanding they boycott someone for saying that women exist is not really worth engaging with. The largest majority of people don't give two hoots (nor about women's rights, if we're honest, but if we're targeting demographics, which one makes more sense to support? Women in charge of household finances, of course).

And I would bet money that any actual market research would back this up.

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D4bqXNXQwgpk&ved=2ahUKEwju7PubjaHvAhW9aRUIHcBhCAEQwqsBMAN6BAgUEAg&usg=AOvVaw2fewnRCQyPD4oNvloaTQw7

Hope this link works, it's a bit awkward on this old tablet. This is an interview with the founder of Giggle, it looks like a good platform but I haven't got around to installing the app yet (need to free up loads of space which is a pain in the bum at the mo).

Has anyone used it?

No, Ovarit isn't MN 2.0. It was created as a GC, female-friendly alternative to Reddit. Not the best for discussions, but better than twitter-style sites.
Mumsnet is special and valuable because it's a place to discuss all sorts of things relevant to our lives as women, among mostly women. This "old school" board and thread style is also the best for in-depth discussions. There should be more sites like this!

Sorry for the late post-time zones-but just want to express my sadness for the loss of CaraDune on MN. In my neck of the woods, we didn't even have the arguments nor the insight to define what was happening to women/girls. UK MNnetters have helped so many of us define what was wrong. How Betty Friedan called out "The Problem that Has No Name," CaraDune was one of the women who gave us the words to explain the problem - thank you!

DayBath - I had a look at Giggle and TBH I found it very confusing. It's not like anything else that I am aware of.

Someone correct me if I've got the wrong end of the stick but it seems to be billions of small "chat groups"(Giggles) that are topic and/or location focused.

Once you are in to the main Giggle site/app you set up a "Profile" for every "Giggle" that you hope to join or create and attract people to join. (I keep wanting to call them "Bubbles"!) There are specific Topic areas that you select in order to get to where you set up your "Topic Profiles".

This makes sense if you want to find or create small groups of women that reflect different interests, so you can fine-tune your "Profile" for each interest.

I think that it started off as a way to find flat-mates, so every "Giggle" is sort of like a little "household" of friends. I can't remember off-hand how many people can be in each "Giggle", maybe six?

It sends me several notifications on my phone every day that look like OPs for discussion but when when I select them it takes me to the main Giggle site/app and I have not found any way of locating them. Maybe they are not for engaging with - just looking at?

It would be better if you could get some feedback from someone who has managed to crack the technical side and found it relevant and useful.

Hmmm, thanks @MoleSmokes ,sounds a bit difficult to navigate then!

I just tried to PM Mole and could not. She posted an excellent post on the site stuff thread and it was deleted :( There was nothing contentious in it that I could see.

I also couldnt pm Mole, YetAnother. This is not looking good.

I hope Mole's turned them off or it's a temporary thing.

Otherwise we are going to need a fallen viper code.

It's not. I think we need to operate on the basis that even asking questions like 'can we use [banned word] in x context is going to get us banned not because this is problematic but because they want to get rid of us.