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History in the making! Watch Parliament Live at 2.30pm!

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Sunkisses · 25/02/2021 14:19

According to @SexMattersOrg on Twitter the Govt have backed down on the MOMA (Maternity) Bill and will now use the word 'mother' not 'person' in the legislation!

Women did this! We are winning!

Tune in live here at 2.30pm to see history in the making: www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/3ca1efa2-16a5-489d-a5a0-5d929bff81f6

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 25/02/2021 15:51

"This is the ideology of the madhouse" Baroness Meyer (Conservative)

Wow.

There's a t-shirt for PP

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TheCheeseAlarm · 25/02/2021 15:51

This is such a splendid afternoon.

So much thoughtful discourse.

The Lords are definitely earning their keep.

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cheeseismydownfall · 25/02/2021 15:51

Lord Wallace is a bit of a woolly tit. Hasn't seen any evidence of the threat to freedom of speech in academia, apparently.

Where exactly has he been looking?

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Ori21 · 25/02/2021 15:51

@GCAcademic

Unless they did it deliberately to blow this whole issue open. You have to wonder.

Of course. It's a political strategy to blow apart contentious topics and force debate/action before they become too advanced to resolve with smaller measures.

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Sunkisses · 25/02/2021 15:51

"This is the ideology of the madhouse. It is a plain fact of human existance that only women get pregnant" - Baroness Meyer (Conservative)

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YourWurstNightmare · 25/02/2021 15:52

Who knew the House of Lords was full of T__fs? Grin

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 25/02/2021 15:52

Crikey if the DUP think you’re misogynists you really have gone too far.

that made me chuckle, Roomba

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NaughtyTortie · 25/02/2021 15:53

I am so so glad the OP posted this link. I would have missed it otherwise.

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Sunkisses · 25/02/2021 15:54

"I am not sure any foreign parents would want to send their children to English schools if this gender derangement is allowed to run riot through the English language" - Baroness Meyer (Conservative)

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YourWurstNightmare · 25/02/2021 15:54

@NaughtyTortie

I am so so glad the OP posted this link. I would have missed it otherwise.

Yes, agree. Thank you, OP. Flowers
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cheeseismydownfall · 25/02/2021 15:54

"For a group to be properly protected by the law, they must be properly identified in the law"

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Xanthangum · 25/02/2021 15:54

"The ideology of the madhouse"

I am so enjoying the plainspeaking going on!

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NewAndImprovedNorks · 25/02/2021 15:54

Oh, a little bit of tension has gone from my shoulders.
Common sense and plain speaking from people who can’t be bullied into silence.

But how did it come to this?

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Jacketpotato84 · 25/02/2021 15:55

Why is this so important? Forgive me for not being in the know but mothers and women are a "person" why the big deal i dont get it?? What if a transman where pregnant would they now have to be referred to as a mother? Confused

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Datun · 25/02/2021 15:55

Really, really heartening.

Their lack of fear is notable. And, of course, any intimidatory pushback that they may well receive now, is only going to strengthen their resolve.

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SantaNameChange · 25/02/2021 15:55

This is amazing - one sensible voice after another.
They have been well-briefed or well-lobbied or perhaps they are just speaking good sense which would be obvious to most intelligent people.

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StarintheMorning · 25/02/2021 15:55

What a day!

I’ve already sent cards to thank eight of the Lords who spoke so eloquently in the earlier debate. I will also email them today.

What can we do to capitalise on this? I have no faith in most of our media reporting accurately on this. I have a useless Conservative MP (young, female!) who currently won’t deal with anyone unless it is connected to COVID, and pre COVID only holds one surgery per month in a huge rural constituency. She has refused to see me regarding this, but I want her to take this on board.

What can we do to hammer this home to our representatives, that we will not accept women being erased in life and in law?

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persistentwoman · 25/02/2021 15:56

@Sunkisses

"I am not sure any foreign parents would want to send their children to English schools if this gender derangement is allowed to run riot through the English language" - Baroness Meyer (Conservative)

gender derangement Grin
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ethelredonagoodday · 25/02/2021 15:56

@cheeseismydownfall

"For a group to be properly protected by the law, they must be properly identified in the law"

And this is the critical point.
Very pleased to read this.
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Datun · 25/02/2021 15:56

@Jacketpotato84

Why is this so important? Forgive me for not being in the know but mothers and women are a "person" why the big deal i dont get it?? What if a transman where pregnant would they now have to be referred to as a mother? Confused

Yes. Because legally the mother is the person who gestates.
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SantaNameChange · 25/02/2021 15:56

I support the House of Lords. Never thought I'd say that as a life-long leftie!

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 25/02/2021 15:56

This pisses me off so much. What fucking rights are being taken away from the tiny number of transmen who choose to use their female biology to have a child? Why the fuck should women and mothers have to change their language for a them because THEY have an issue with those words.

Who the fuck do they think fought hard for them to get MATERNITY rights in the first place? No fucking respect at all for women at all. Pure misogyny.

All they have to do is tell their own GP and midwife team to call them a man. Are they really that triggered by women using their own words?

But then we all know it isn't actually about transmen and all about dehumanising females by removing 'woman' from every single female only experience and biological

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Sunkisses · 25/02/2021 15:56

Lord Morris looks like he's been ordering loads of pizzas going by the empty boxes behind him! Grin

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Laiste · 25/02/2021 15:57

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

**MarshaBradyo
I feel really moved by this
Quite teary**

*also*

same

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ScribblingPixie · 25/02/2021 15:57

"The bill would have dehumanised the status and life experience of women"

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