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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

History in the making! Watch Parliament Live at 2.30pm!

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Sunkisses · 25/02/2021 14:19

According to @SexMattersOrg on Twitter the Govt have backed down on the MOMA (Maternity) Bill and will now use the word 'mother' not 'person' in the legislation!

Women did this! We are winning!

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Redshoeblueshoe · 25/02/2021 22:14

Waves to the Lord's and Ladies 🍷 thank you wine 🍷

gardenbird48 · 25/02/2021 22:15

Why is celebrating that a maternity law will use the word mother rather than person who gives birth (or whatever) taken as a glee at doing one over on trans women?

My only guess is that it shows what we all suspected was correct.

That the changes in language are nothing to do inclusion of with trans men. They are to do with not reminding trans women that words like female, woman, mother, are not 'social roles' to do with make up, frocks, giggling etc. But are to do with our biology, which is what they have always meant. And that they are important as our biology is why we have always been, and to a greater or lesser extent continue to be, discriminated against and oppressed, all over the world.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. Why was Cashman (and the angry poster) not remotely bothered about the (perceived) exclusion of transmen? He focused instantly and only on tw.

If he was a trans ally, surely he is an ally to tw and tm?

I just have to say, I am so happy and relieved that this has happened. The day seemed even sunnier today. The noble Baronesses were utterly awesome and the noble Lords fantastic too.

I shall get writing tomorrow to thank these people for standing up for what is right.

I did look on the BBC website - nothing - they have lost my support totally.

MarshaBradyo · 25/02/2021 22:15

@CaveMum

Lord Hunt has just tweeted a link to this thread Grin They know where to look for the true feelings on these issues.

Good evening Your Lordship, and thank you.

Brilliant

Lord Hunt thank you! And good evening

CaveMum · 25/02/2021 22:15

Oops, forgot the link to Lord Hunt’s tweet!

twitter.com/lordphilofbrum/status/1365051009366691842?s=21

Sophoclesthefox · 25/02/2021 22:15

Oh blimey, the gentry are going to be popping by and I haven’t had a chance to tidy the place up Grin

Erkrie · 25/02/2021 22:16

Thanks to all the Lords who calmly and rationally stood for women and girls today. ❤️ An emotional day indeed.

zzizzer · 25/02/2021 22:17

Amazing - to anyone involved who's reading this, THANK YOU.

CaveMum · 25/02/2021 22:17

@Sophoclesthefox

Oh blimey, the gentry are going to be popping by and I haven’t had a chance to tidy the place up Grin
Make sure you get the good china out too Wink
zzizzer · 25/02/2021 22:17

And yes the silence of the Guardian and BBC is noticeable.

Erkrie · 25/02/2021 22:18

Oh blimey, the gentry are going to be popping by and I haven’t had a chance to tidy the place up

🤣

Xanthangum · 25/02/2021 22:19

I am a Liberal Democrat, and tonight.. I am weeping for my party. I mean, I knew it already. But today has crystallised how utterly out of step and wrong we are.

Sophoclesthefox · 25/02/2021 22:19

And remember, no fucking swearing in front of their Lordships!

Flippin · 25/02/2021 22:19

Amazing news!

Ladybigbeach · 25/02/2021 22:21

I’ve not read the whole thread yet, but will come back to it tomorrow. Just wanted to say OP thank you for highlighting this, only just got up to the end of Lord Winston’s speech. It has brought tears to my eyes listening to the collective voice being heard finally.

gardenbird48 · 25/02/2021 22:22

CaveMum

Lord Hunt has just tweeted a link to this thread grin They know where to look for the true feelings on these issues.

Good evening Your Lordship, and thank you.

Brilliant

Lord Hunt thank you! And good evening

waahhh!! Lord Hunt has been in to vist! How exciting :¬)))

I've got my best sherry ready in case any more arrive. We could have a little party Flowers Flowers Wine Wine

SweetGrapes · 25/02/2021 22:23

Wonderful news! A big thank you to all those doing their bit in this - whether publicly or privately! Flowers

Mercedes519 · 25/02/2021 22:24

The BBC headline is “ Government agrees to call pregnant women mothers”

A headline which misses the point of the whole gender neutral language debate...

persistentwoman · 25/02/2021 22:25

What a fabulous thread and an outstanding debate.
Is there a glimmer of hope that most? all? the Labour peers spoke eloquently in favour of accurate sex based language. Is there any chance that this might be shared with the leader of the Labour party that women are tired of him sitting on the fence while parroting meaningless platitudes about hatred on both sides? Any chance that many thousands of us might be able to support Labour and engage in respectful debate as we heard today? Or are we doomed to be dismissed as bigots and take our votes elsewhere?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 25/02/2021 22:26

Wonderful news. Hopefully, the tide is turning.

Sophoclesthefox · 25/02/2021 22:30

@persistentwoman

What a fabulous thread and an outstanding debate. Is there a glimmer of hope that most? all? the Labour peers spoke eloquently in favour of accurate sex based language. Is there any chance that this might be shared with the leader of the Labour party that women are tired of him sitting on the fence while parroting meaningless platitudes about hatred on both sides? Any chance that many thousands of us might be able to support Labour and engage in respectful debate as we heard today? Or are we doomed to be dismissed as bigots and take our votes elsewhere?
I really hope so.

Courage calls? Don’t let it go to voicemail!

NiceGerbil · 25/02/2021 22:30

Thank you to all the people (erm that's a bit ironic, but I don't know what the correct mode of address is, so people it is!) in the house of lords who spoke up for women today.

It was interesting and really heartening that the points made went beyond the maternity bill and touched on do many other areas of this topic.

Thank you :)

NiceGerbil · 25/02/2021 22:31

Did anyone else go on to the libdem baronesses Twitter to see what these terrible things that had been said to her by 'so called feminists' were?

I couldn't find any. I mean I didn't trawl back ages but I would have thought I'd find them on her recent posts on this issue. But, nada.

Chicchicchicchiclana · 25/02/2021 22:32

Just place marking to read tomorrow ... sounds like very good news.

CallmeIT · 25/02/2021 22:36

I am so very pleased to see this.Thank you!

I personally add nothing to this debate despite being of the same mind as almost everyone here (it would be career-ending, and as a single Mother, I cannot risk my livelihood) so knowing this has happened today gives me just a little bit of hope that my voice will not be silent forever.

CatChant · 25/02/2021 22:36

Squee!

Lord Hunt, thank you! Wine Fellow Lords and Baronesses thank you. Wine With the lamentable exception of the Lib Dems (who've betrayed the many genuinely nice and sensible members of their party I've met over the years) you were all wonderful and I will be emailing to thank you individually.

Alas, the BBC really isn't looking fit for purpose any more - if they've wilfully misinterpreted the story they're biased, if they've missed the angle, they're crap reporters...