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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Change petition in place to remove all GC voices from Twitter

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MummBraTheEverLeaking · 17/02/2021 23:33

Wondered why 'transphobia' was trending on twitter, saw lots of links to a petition basically calling ANY gender critical account to be booted off Twitter!!

Words of the petition below (and it is VERY wordy!) Apparently if you're GC in the UK on twitter you've got hundreds of fake accounts on the go and are part of a huge sinister network too! Must have missed my invite to that then Grin

They're most likely shouting into the void but if Twitter even gives this a nod and it ends up going the way of reddit (GC = no, some fucked up porn discussions = a ok) I blummin despair.

Twitter,

Over the last year the world has become a hotbed of transphobia, largely as a result of your platform and a lack of moderation and oversight.We are a group of Transgender people and their allies and today we are here to ask you to put an end to this.

Many Transgender people are leaving twitter as we cannot bare the Hatred and abuse that is directed at us on your platform from so called “Gender Critical” people. The latest to leave being Munroe Bergdorf, one of the most visible and respected members of our community.

Transphobic groups have been growing rapidly on your platform, many of them originating in the UK for the purpose of harassing our media, politics, education and healthcare influencers. They have now created a large network of fake accounts with which to spread their hate throughout the rest of the world. They have been allowed to attack and denigrate us. They have been allowed to stir up hatred. They have been allowed to openly mock us. Twitter has largely ignored the rising tide of hatred directed at our community from your platform.

During this pandemic Transphobic groups have flourished on twitter, making an already difficult situation for our small community even harder. This is no longer an issue of free speech, this is no longer a political debate, this is no longer a disagreement of ideas, this is an assault on our community and our lives that is severely affecting our health, our happiness and our wellbeing every single day.

The effect’s on the mental health of the Transgender population around the world during the pandemic are staggering. Wait times on the NHS in Britain have been extended up to five years. Youth must now go to court in order to receive life saving puberty blockers. The media has become so hostile that many of us feel destitute. This is largely a direct result of your inability to remove this disinformation and hatred campaign from your platform. Our small community is being decimated by the relentless bullying on social media by “Gender Criticals", besetting a barrage of attacks upon our community while we have no recourse of protest during lockdown. These disagreements have now spilled from twitter onto the streets of our cities, with Transphobic graffiti and signs being placed in public bathrooms, changing rooms, and on streets not just in the UK, but internationally - all clearly using the language of this twitter mob. This hatred is bleeding into and now seeding itself in most other western countries. We cannot let this hatred keep spreading.

These groups have created a coded language in order to mask their transphobic bigotry in plain sight and avoid the ban hammer. So far it has worked exceedingly well in the UK. We stand accused of being misogynists and homophobes simply for being who we are. This is a recurring theme among these groups, spouting bigotry while simultaneously launching claims that we are in fact the bigots simply for being ourselves. They may call themselves Gender critical but how is this any different from Race realist if the outcome of their hatred, however coded it may be, is the same. They have manufactured a climate of hatred and disgust, pitting feminism and gay rights against the Transgender community in an attempt to tear our communities apart and isolate us. They bully us. They relentlessly hound anybody who so much as mentions our community without disparagement. They advocate for conversion therapy for trans youth. They claim we are mentally ill and confused. They call our life saving surgery mutilation. They use the names of our past lives against us. They seek to agitate by referring to us by pronouns they know will upset us. They search for photos of before our transitions that they can laugh at and degrade us with. They spread disinformation and lies about our community, framing us as child abusers, perverts and sexual predators. They claim we are part of a conspiracy theory, manufactured by large corporations to sell medicine. They eviscerate any trace of us from our own history. They trivialise and laugh at our days of remembrance. They work every day to make our lives harder and harder. They claim censorship and cancel culture if we talk about them. They sue us if we call them Transphobic. They deny us our dignity and seek to erase us by claiming that who we are, which we cannot change, is a dangerous fiction.

Over a year ago Reddit took appropriate action to address the issue of rising transphobia on their platform under the “Gender Critical” guise, those same groups moved their bigotry to twitter where their hatred has been allowed to flourish unhindered and with renewed energy. Twitter has largely ignored this rising tide, we believe now it is time to put an end to the dog whistle politics and stirring up of a torrent of hatred and abuse towards our small community. All of us believe in free speech, robust debate and an open democracy. This however is just Transphobia repackaged for the mass market and it is effective in convincing the laymen that we are a threat to society.

There are several accounts, growing in number each day and hiding behind faux feminism and gay liberation to promote Transphobia in Britain and across the globe. I would very much like to link them here, however these groups have decided on a joint strategy of extreme litigiousness and I fear reprisal at their hand. This is just further evidence of how sinister these groups have become, so much so that they will attempt to sue anyone who criticises them.

These are Hate groups by any other name, verifiably so and we call upon you to act by ensuring that we are not victim’s of their hatred on your platform where it appears that for sexism, racism, ableism, homophobia and religious prejudice there is one set of rules but for transphobia there is another.

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JustGotHere · 18/02/2021 13:18

When will they learn the difference between anger and hate? I see this in my personal relationships with men,too.Any time I express anger it is read as hate.

InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 18/02/2021 14:09

There is no such thing as "transmisogyny". Misogyny is prejudice and hate of women and girls, not male people.

I think the whole transmisogyny thing is quite simple.

trans = on the other side of
miso = hatred of
gyny = women

transmisogyny = on the other side of hatred of women

So when someone says transmisogyny is bad, they're literally saying it's good to hate women. Simple!

RoyalCorgi · 18/02/2021 14:21

All of us believe in free speech, robust debate and an open democracy. This however is just Transphobia repackaged for the mass market and it is effective in convincing the laymen that we are a threat to society.

I believe that's what's known as a non-sequitur.

I love the fact that they got dog whistle in there. It would have been disappointing if they'd forgotten one of their favourite buzzwords.

Deliriumoftheendless · 18/02/2021 14:21

Leaving twitter for ever is the new Status Quo Farewell Tour.

talesofginza · 18/02/2021 14:55

This is the problem of never telling a child "no" - eventually they get big and cannot just be endlessly indulged, and they are not prepared to come up against any resistance or challenge.

This and other outbursts really make me wonder how old most of these individuals are, that they misinterpret perfectly reasonable and civil requests or contradictions to their views as being denials of their very existence or wanting them dead. It's just so juvenile.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/02/2021 14:58

Leaving twitter for ever is the new Status Quo Farewell Tour.

Grin
SunsetBeetch · 18/02/2021 15:04

Great post @yourhairiswinterfire I've noticed that phenomenon many times myself.

Imnobody4 · 18/02/2021 17:07

Just seen Michael Cashman is pushing this on his Twitter account.What a sad sorry state of a man he's become.
Twitter, Inc: Twitter UK, Please address the rising Transphobia on your platform. - Sign the Petition!

MoleSmokes · 18/02/2021 17:29

Thanks to (forgotten names already!) for the “Top Rant” comments. I have encountered female trans allies who seemed to have been through some sort of pre-programming, aimed at blocking out any info or arguments that challenge the same type of warped perception of reality that I was responding to above.

When they weren’t yelling “TWAW” they seemed to be relying on an internalised “TWAW” la-la-la-loop for protection. One of them even told me, “We’re not even supposed to be talking to you - we’re not allowed to.” (They had come straight from a local “Trans & Allies Youth Group” run by an older TW, as it happens.)

Coming to this thread after just reading about Pseudo-realities (see other thread) I felt less-inclined to perceive the allegations about FWR Mumsnet as deliberate misrepresentations.

Anyone who comes on here chanting mantras about most the vulnerable, marginalised, etc. must surely actually believe that guff? It’s hard to imagine that anyone would be stupid enough to try it on knowing that they are trotting out lies.

I do wonder how aware a lot of trans allies are of what is actually going on IRL outside of their echo-chambers. And whether some of the anger directed at GC women on Mumsnet (and elsewhere) is down to lashing out at the messenger when some uncomfortable news from the Real World gets through. Cognitive dissonance can be painful to experience - and an ugly, violent eruption when it vents to release pressure.

Anyway, I genuinely hope that it got through and at the very least prompted some inner questioning.

Winesalot - ”Have you seen what happened in France recently? Maybe you should start reading the result of pushing this type of agenda through when it happened in France when they lowered boundaries for children and women.”

What happened in France recently??

Barracker · 18/02/2021 17:30

Free speech affords a man the power to falsely declare,
"I am a woman"
Free speech also affords a woman the right to factually respond,
"No, you are not. You are a man."

If a society allows the former and forbids the latter, it has rejected free speech in its entirety.
Instead, it has merely gifted men the power to make uncontested false declarations,
and forbidden women the right to respond with fact.

Darcinian · 18/02/2021 17:38

Not just never being told no as a child. Also women being trained to be people-pleasing martyrs with men learning to expect it.

A terrifyingly large number of women cannot cope with seeing a man be upset and reacting by doing fuck all about it.

You can see it all over the Relationships boards. Women having their lives controlled in significant ways because if they asked their partner to put a mug in the dishwasher or if she went out with a friend then he would get a face on, huff and puff, maybe even sulk for days or call her horrible names. They present this as proof that they have no choice but to sacrifice their own happiness.

No! Men can be pissed off and you can let them be pissed off. The choices are not win him round to your point of view or else abandon your view in favour of his. You can live your life with someone thinking you are wrong and maybe a bit of a cowbag. You don't have to be a support human.

If we could educate all young girls and women in this key lifeskill it would be a game changer.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 18/02/2021 17:43

Anyone who comes on here chanting mantras about most the vulnerable, marginalised, etc. must surely actually believe that guff? It’s hard to imagine that anyone would be stupid enough to try it onknowingthat they are trotting out lies

No different to those IRL spouting the same. Just meaningless mantras they've heard and repeat without actually thinking about it.

Rockinmomma · 19/02/2021 10:09

creepy weirdos and trantrumning, illiterate teenagers
This, 100% this!
I’m old (38) and I don’t do social media for many many reasons but I can’t help but notice we have a generation of people so easily influenced, so easily led and living through social media. I just can’t understand how we’ve got here or the mentality of ‘mob culture’
We’ve got teens so desperate to be included, vilified and woke (whatever the fuck that is, seems to be the new word for hipster to me Grin)
We’ve got adults who have been brainwashed by massive corporations
No one lives or wants to accept reality
I can’t help but think about what David Bowie said in 1999 about the internet
“The potential of what the Internet is going to do to society, both good and bad, is unimaginable.”
“The internet is now, it carries the flag of being subversive and possibly rebellious. Chaotic, nihilistic,”
“I don’t think we’ve even seen the tip of the iceberg. I think the potential of what the Internet is going to do to society, both good and bad, is unimaginable. I think we’re actually on the cusp of something exhilarating and terrifying.”
“It’s an alien life form [laughing], is there life on Mars? Yes, it’s just landed here. The actual context and state of content is going to be so different to anything we envisage at the moment. Where the interplay between the user and the provider will be so in simpatico it’s going to crush our ideas of what mediums are all about. It’s happening in every form.”
How right that man was. It’s insidious and is destroying a whole generation

Darcinian · 19/02/2021 10:32

@Whatsnewpussyhat

Anyone who comes on here chanting mantras about most the vulnerable, marginalised, etc. must surely actually believe that guff? It’s hard to imagine that anyone would be stupid enough to try it onknowingthat they are trotting out lies

No different to those IRL spouting the same. Just meaningless mantras they've heard and repeat without actually thinking about it.

Loads of people buy into all kinds of crap all the time

Ever had anybody evangelise to you about Jesus, 5G, MMR, Forever Living, or the latest fad diet?

Winesalot · 19/02/2021 12:28

TRIGGER WARNING

MoleSmokes

I am posting this link but I find these articles grim reading. This is about the sexual freedom movement in France in the 60-70s, of which I believe Foucault was part of and has repercussions for the movement we see today in my opinion.

It even resulted in intellectuals sending an open letter to the government to remove laws around sex with minors.

www.cbc.ca/news/world/france-sexual-abuse-book-elites-1.5892765

I don't have a share token, sorry. This though is pulling it together as a consequence of those views held by the 'intellectuals' and the effects it has had in women being able to seek justice for sexual harassment and assault and worse. There has been a huge amount of current and historic complaints to the universities about the treatment of women who have made serious complaints. One university advisor in the past couple of years, told a victim, iirc, to go to learn more about consent or some ridiculousness.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/elite-french-university-caught-up-in-deluge-of-sex-abuse-allegations-ks20mchc5

There was another thread about this recently with share tokens and another article that articulated this far better than I am.

Either way, I see the ramifications of that movement are clear and can be applied today.

AdHominemNonSequitur · 19/02/2021 13:24

I don't think it is purely Pritzker. The Arcus foundation (big Stonewall donors) headed by Jon Stryker (heir to the Stryker medical device fortune ) are the largest LGBT donors.

If nothing else it shows that there is nothing spontaneous or grass roots about the movement.

As well as the "intellectual" foulcauldian underpinning of this whole sorry state of affairs, the pseudo- reality thread is also relevant and well worth a read
as to how and why so many people are buying into what is so clearly nonsense:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4169150-Pseudo-realities-Power-and-Language-Games

tootyfruitypickle · 19/02/2021 13:34

I've looked at some of the groups my colleague follow and they are all worded like that petition. I can't understand how they can spout such frankly terrifying bullshit about how anyone who disagrees with them is a hate group, it's these lobby groups which are sending a message of hate, even to the detriment of trying to lay out a clear argument. It really makes my blood run cold that so many rational people think that these lobby groups are ok. Then you read the sites of groups like the LGB Alliance and they are so calm, and well thought out- and respectful of all views.

Perhaps this is just a hysterical reaction to seeing the tide turning. I hope so anyway.

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