Change petition in place to remove all GC voices from Twitter

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Wondered why 'transphobia' was trending on twitter, saw lots of links to a petition basically calling ANY gender critical account to be booted off Twitter!!

Words of the petition below (and it is VERY wordy!) Apparently if you're GC in the UK on twitter you've got hundreds of fake accounts on the go and are part of a huge sinister network too! Must have missed my invite to that then

They're most likely shouting into the void but if Twitter even gives this a nod and it ends up going the way of reddit (GC = no, some fucked up porn discussions = a ok) I blummin despair.

Twitter,

Over the last year the world has become a hotbed of transphobia, largely as a result of your platform and a lack of moderation and oversight.We are a group of Transgender people and their allies and today we are here to ask you to put an end to this.

Many Transgender people are leaving twitter as we cannot bare the Hatred and abuse that is directed at us on your platform from so called “Gender Critical” people. The latest to leave being Munroe Bergdorf, one of the most visible and respected members of our community.

Transphobic groups have been growing rapidly on your platform, many of them originating in the UK for the purpose of harassing our media, politics, education and healthcare influencers. They have now created a large network of fake accounts with which to spread their hate throughout the rest of the world. They have been allowed to attack and denigrate us. They have been allowed to stir up hatred. They have been allowed to openly mock us. Twitter has largely ignored the rising tide of hatred directed at our community from your platform.

During this pandemic Transphobic groups have flourished on twitter, making an already difficult situation for our small community even harder. This is no longer an issue of free speech, this is no longer a political debate, this is no longer a disagreement of ideas, this is an assault on our community and our lives that is severely affecting our health, our happiness and our wellbeing every single day.

The effect’s on the mental health of the Transgender population around the world during the pandemic are staggering. Wait times on the NHS in Britain have been extended up to five years. Youth must now go to court in order to receive life saving puberty blockers. The media has become so hostile that many of us feel destitute. This is largely a direct result of your inability to remove this disinformation and hatred campaign from your platform. Our small community is being decimated by the relentless bullying on social media by “Gender Criticals", besetting a barrage of attacks upon our community while we have no recourse of protest during lockdown. These disagreements have now spilled from twitter onto the streets of our cities, with Transphobic graffiti and signs being placed in public bathrooms, changing rooms, and on streets not just in the UK, but internationally - all clearly using the language of this twitter mob. This hatred is bleeding into and now seeding itself in most other western countries. We cannot let this hatred keep spreading.

These groups have created a coded language in order to mask their transphobic bigotry in plain sight and avoid the ban hammer. So far it has worked exceedingly well in the UK. We stand accused of being misogynists and homophobes simply for being who we are. This is a recurring theme among these groups, spouting bigotry while simultaneously launching claims that we are in fact the bigots simply for being ourselves. They may call themselves Gender critical but how is this any different from Race realist if the outcome of their hatred, however coded it may be, is the same. They have manufactured a climate of hatred and disgust, pitting feminism and gay rights against the Transgender community in an attempt to tear our communities apart and isolate us. They bully us. They relentlessly hound anybody who so much as mentions our community without disparagement. They advocate for conversion therapy for trans youth. They claim we are mentally ill and confused. They call our life saving surgery mutilation. They use the names of our past lives against us. They seek to agitate by referring to us by pronouns they know will upset us. They search for photos of before our transitions that they can laugh at and degrade us with. They spread disinformation and lies about our community, framing us as child abusers, perverts and sexual predators. They claim we are part of a conspiracy theory, manufactured by large corporations to sell medicine. They eviscerate any trace of us from our own history. They trivialise and laugh at our days of remembrance. They work every day to make our lives harder and harder. They claim censorship and cancel culture if we talk about them. They sue us if we call them Transphobic. They deny us our dignity and seek to erase us by claiming that who we are, which we cannot change, is a dangerous fiction.

Over a year ago Reddit took appropriate action to address the issue of rising transphobia on their platform under the “Gender Critical” guise, those same groups moved their bigotry to twitter where their hatred has been allowed to flourish unhindered and with renewed energy. Twitter has largely ignored this rising tide, we believe now it is time to put an end to the dog whistle politics and stirring up of a torrent of hatred and abuse towards our small community. All of us believe in free speech, robust debate and an open democracy. This however is just Transphobia repackaged for the mass market and it is effective in convincing the laymen that we are a threat to society.

There are several accounts, growing in number each day and hiding behind faux feminism and gay liberation to promote Transphobia in Britain and across the globe. I would very much like to link them here, however these groups have decided on a joint strategy of extreme litigiousness and I fear reprisal at their hand. This is just further evidence of how sinister these groups have become, so much so that they will attempt to sue anyone who criticises them.

These are Hate groups by any other name, verifiably so and we call upon you to act by ensuring that we are not victim’s of their hatred on your platform where it appears that for sexism, racism, ableism, homophobia and religious prejudice there is one set of rules but for transphobia there is another.

I can't bring myself to read it, life is definitely too short. I'm struggling to care even if they're successful, any platform happy to host MAP's can go fuck themselves tbh. Women will always find places to talk, they can have Twitter as far as I'm concerned.

I read all of it. The transmisogyny on here is horrible and doesn’t really make any sense to me - they are a marginalized and victimized group. To say that the opposite is true is just mad! Anyway, I’m seriously considering quitting this site as I just don’t like the transphobia on here. I just don’t get the counter argument that they’re erasing women’s rights or spaces. I can’t see it. All I can see is progression and that’s obviously being challenged and criticized. Doesn’t change the fact that change and progression are good and necessary, especially when it comes to transwomen. We have come a long way as a society in accepting transgender people. It’s a shame there is so much vitriol launched at them from other women.

Is there a link to this? I’m just wondering how their petition is going.

I could go look I suppose, but I’ve just read all of that and my brain has gone on strike or maybe just dribbled out my ear.

@LittleBlueToday

I read all of it. The transmisogyny on here is horrible and doesn’t really make any sense to me - they are a marginalized and victimized group. To say that the opposite is true is just mad! Anyway, I’m seriously considering quitting this site as I just don’t like the transphobia on here. I just don’t get the counter argument that they’re erasing women’s rights or spaces. I can’t see it. All I can see is progression and that’s obviously being challenged and criticized. Doesn’t change the fact that change and progression are good and necessary, especially when it comes to transwomen. We have come a long way as a society in accepting transgender people. It’s a shame there is so much vitriol launched at them from other women.

So did I and with you on this one. People say they are abused on Twitter just for being trans, and posters start laughing about Adrian Mole, toddler tantrums, and ear dribbling. Does anyone ever stop to think that just going by these responses, they might just have a point?

@LittleBlueToday

I read all of it. The transmisogyny on here is horrible and doesn’t really make any sense to me - they are a marginalized and victimized group. To say that the opposite is true is just mad! Anyway, I’m seriously considering quitting this site as I just don’t like the transphobia on here. I just don’t get the counter argument that they’re erasing women’s rights or spaces. I can’t see it. All I can see is progression and that’s obviously being challenged and criticized. Doesn’t change the fact that change and progression are good and necessary, especially when it comes to transwomen. We have come a long way as a society in accepting transgender people. It’s a shame there is so much vitriol launched at them from other women.

So you're ok with trans women, who grew up as boys and are therefore (most likely bigger, faster and stronger than your average woman) competing against women in sports? Because they are most likely going to win. The trans women that is.

And you're ok with trans women performing intimate procedures/care on women? Or working in dv and rape crisis centres?
Because as a rape victim I'm not. I need to know that some spaces are 'safe' and that the people i encounter there are other women.

I'm happy to campaign with trans people for a 3rd space. I'm not happy for them to take mine.

No one is saying that throwing abuse around is a good idea. It’s claiming that they are always the worst the badly treated the oppressed the most suicidal. At the same time as having millions of Pounds of support. Having organisations speak for them, seats at the highest tables. Say so in curriculum and speaking in schools. Workforce’s through country with LGTB training. There may be a way to go but it certainly not the lowest of the low. Meanwhile not long ago there was a campaign on Tv by a disability charity to try and make it easier for jo public to even SPEAK to a disabled person. Such is the way to go we have on that issue.

Misogyny refers to females the clue is in the 'gyny'
No such thing as transmisogyny.

Stop pretending privileged adult males are vulnerable and oppressed and 'marginalised'.

Well isn't that a hyperbolic essay of garbled DARVO

'There are several accounts, growing in number each day and hiding behind faux feminism and gay liberation to promote Transphobia in Britain and across the globe.'

I wonder what sort of feminism would be acceptable?

People say they are abused on Twitter just for being trans, and posters start laughing about Adrian Mole, toddler tantrums, and ear dribbling.
Does anyone ever stop to think that just going by these responses, they might just have a point?

None of that comes close to the abuse women receive on Twitter just for being women. As in actual women. Transgender people are way above women in society's pecking order. Women had to fight for hundreds of years to gain legal protection that (theoretically) put them on an even footing with men. Transgender activists have managed to come close to reversing much of it, perhaps not in law but in society at large, within about five years.

And any woman supporting this is very misguided. Because you don't get a more privileged place in their brave new world for having supported them. It's like that Aesop's fable where the trees sacrifice the weakest one for the man to make an axe and then he comes back for the rest of them.

The belief that Twitter represents the real world already causes a great deal of problems in all aspects of life for people. We’ve seen this in politics (“Labour are doing AMAZING on Twitter they are totes going to be elected!”)

Fewer than 5% of the world’s population is a Twitter user, so demanding the removal of those who don’t bend to your ideology just means it’s likely to be more of a shock than it currently is when you meet that view in real life. It wouldn’t end well.

[Mockolate] People say they are abused on Twitter just for being trans, and posters start laughing about Adrian Mole, toddler tantrums, and ear dribbling. Does anyone ever stop to think that just going by these responses, they might just have a point?

I think that's misleading. The main issue that people are likely responding to, imo, is the call for mass censorship of anyone who holds the "wrong" opinions.

Lots of people suffer disgusting abuse on Twitter for all sorts of reasons. That's obviously bad regardless of who it is aimed at.

But if you call for mass censorship by the cheap trick of conflating online abuse with criticism of an ideology and political movement (very different things), well then yeah, you probably deserve to be mocked for it.

Certainly in this thread, no one was being, "abused just for being trans". Or not that I noticed. Rather, it was more like, the author of that quote was being attacked for advocating for insane levels of censorship against political opponents, while pretending to believe in free speech.

[LittleBlueToday] The transmisogyny on here is horrible and doesn’t really make any sense to me - they are a marginalized and victimized group.

Well if they are "marginalised" and "victimized", that doesn't automatically mean their claims are correct; or that they should have some special exemption where no one is allowed to be critical of their ideology or the political movement.

You can't personally understand the other side's perspective you say. Well should it be censored then? You don't like it, or can't understand where they are coming from, so it should be a banned discussion?

If you're not for mass censorship, OK great, then you should be able to understand why these particular trans-activists are getting some mockery.

@LittleBlueToday

I read all of it. The transmisogyny on here is horrible and doesn’t really make any sense to me - they are a marginalized and victimized group. To say that the opposite is true is just mad! Anyway, I’m seriously considering quitting this site as I just don’t like the transphobia on here. I just don’t get the counter argument that they’re erasing women’s rights or spaces. I can’t see it. All I can see is progression and that’s obviously being challenged and criticized. Doesn’t change the fact that change and progression are good and necessary, especially when it comes to transwomen. We have come a long way as a society in accepting transgender people. It’s a shame there is so much vitriol launched at them from other women.

I do not know how anyone has the brass neck to present trans people as victims when the demographic least likely to suffer violence in the UK are transwomen.

Marginalised? Give me a break! On another thread we have had transwomen sneering and gloating because they, not women, will be advising on increasing the political representation of women. An initiative that was intended to correct the bias against females and the particular challenges faced by females. A middle-aged man who "transitions" is hardly best placed to advocate for females.

Marginalised? Have you seen this? The amount of money and high-level support for stealth-strategies to introduce laws and policies under the RADAR that remove women's rights and promote trans rights:

"Dentons campaigns for kids to switch gender without parental approval"

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/dentons-campaigns-kids-switch-gender-without-parental-approval

Trans people who empathise with women who are adversely affected by trans activism are demonised by trans activists - the level of transphobia spewed by trans activists to "the wrong kind of trans" is vile and way beyond anything you would see on Mumsnet.

Meanwhile, trans activists and other transwomen routinely threaten women with rape, stabbings, burning alive, etc. They doxx women and then they, their families and children are stalked and threatened off-line, their employers and their spouses employers are contacted, elderly parents are harassed, and on and on and on.

Working class women and transwomen are affected when rich-kid, woke trans activists colonise grassroots projects set up to support the poor and truly marginalised:

“That’s what ‘self-identify’ means: anyone can say they are anyone… So, rich, privileged people can claim to be marginalized.”

"Men who identify as women aren't treated as women - they're treated as very special men."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3203804-The-Deptford-People-Project-and-the-impact-of-self-ID-and-transactivism-on-working-class-women

"Statement from Working class community workers from Deptford. We are attending the women’s meeting at the House of Commons today. We would like to offer an explanation as to why this is necessary."

web.archive.org/web/20180315031511/https:/twitter.com/LucyLoveslife1/status/973852316787933184

Academics are threatened - students urinated on Rosa Freedman's office door, Selina Todd has to be accompanied by two security guards at all times on campus at Oxford due to credible death threats.

This new website set up to support university staff and students who have been harassed and silenced received seventy submissions within the first week:

"GC Academia Network"

Who are we?

We are a group of academics working in higher education. We are concerned about the ongoing erosion of women's sex-based rights in law, policy and practice, and the treatment of those - mainly women - who speak out. We are concerned that a 'no debate' culture in academia on this issue is harmful to academic freedom and is preventing an open and critical engagement with theories of sex and gender. Ultimately, we think an inability to talk about sex-based rights and discrimination is harmful to women and girls.

Your stories

We would like to hear stories from gender critical university staff (academic and professional services) and students. What is it like to take a gender critical position in HE? What are your experiences of speaking out or keeping quiet? We'd like to know what has happened to you, what you've witnessed, and how it has made you feel.

We want universities, policymakers and the wider public to understand the effect the current 'no debate' culture is having on those of us who work and study in Higher Education. We recognise the isolation that people face and want this to be a space where we can collate stories about our experiences and concerns, and for others to realise that we do not stand alone. Help us break the silence.

www.gcacademianetwork.org

Are you aware of all the receipts of threats on "TerfFIsASlur" ?

terfisaslur.com

There another repository of Trans Activists threats to women here:

photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOM9J_ZIrYtiMagVRr_jhagMR-XP59TBsJFLwNlcS13iIUT4ovqKRN9zttevr0PmA?key=NmJuV1AyRnVSU3dOS2VObVhLSm1uNUkxRjRBSk9R

This is rather USA-centric but do check out "Banned by Trans".

(Apologies for all the CAPS - these are Headings copied and pasted from the site.)

There is a MUST READ introductory page to read first:
bannedbytrans.wordpress.com/read-first-introduction/

Then on "CENSORED BY TRANSPOLITICS: A MASTERPOST" the "Banned" are categorised in a hierarchy:

TIER 1
MURDER OF PEOPLE WHO QUESTION TRANSGENDER PEOPLE/IDEOLOGY

TIER 2
ASSAULT OF PEOPLE WHO QUESTION TRANSGENDER PEOPLE/IDEOLOGY

TIER 3
ECONOMIC PUNISHMENTS (SUCH AS UNEMPLOYMENT OR LEGAL FINES) OF PEOPLE WHO QUESTION TRANSGENDER PEOPLE/IDEOLOGY

TIER 4
THE NO-PLATFORMING, DISINVITATION, EVENT CANCELLATION, UNPUBLISHING AND CENSORSHIP OF PEOPLE WHO QUESTION TRANSGENDER PEOPLE/IDEOLOGY

TIER 5
SOCIAL EXCLUSION, DOXXING, HARASSMENT, GENERAL INTIMIDATION OF PEOPLE WHO QUESTION TRANSGENDER PEOPLE/IDEOLOGY

(Then there are some summary categories with examples)

THERE ARE SO MANY OPEN THREATS OF VIOLENCE MADE AGAINST TRANS-CRITICAL PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY AGAINST LESBIANS AND/OR RADICAL FEMINISTS, THAT I CANNOT LIST THEM ALL. SO I’LL SUMMARIZE INSTEAD:

• WITHDRAWAL OF SUPPORT

• SOCIAL MEDIA PHASE-OUTS

• TERF BLACKLISTS

• TERF IS A SLUR | VIOLENT RECEIPTS | VIOLENT TRANS MALE WITNESS

HERE IS A SMALL SAMPLING OF THE KINDS OF THREATS MADE AGAINST US BY TRANSACTIVISTS, TAKEN FROM THE 3 LINKS ABOVE

VIDEOS:
TRANSACTIVISTS IN ACTION

ALSO WORTH CONSIDERING:

THESE MAJOR “FEMINIST”/WOMEN’S WEBSITES WILL PUBLISH PRO-TRANSGENDER PIECES BUT WON’T PUBLISH “TRANSPHOBIC” (TRANS-CRITICAL, GENDER-CRITICAL OR RADICAL FEMINIST) PIECES:

SO NOW THE QUESTION IS:
WHO’S SILENCING WHO?

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When you have waded through that lot - and there is SO much more that I could have cited - ask yourself from which direction the hate is coming? And who it is directed at?

And who is stirring up this hate? People like you. Trans activists and trans allies who go around making baseless allegations of "transphobia" against women who have legitimate concerns when their legal rights are being undermined.

Who is making all these threats and ruining the livelihoods of women? Trans activists, trans allies and the vast majority of "transwomen" who not so very long ago would have called themselves "transvestites".

You are being conned by opportunistic men into attacking other women on their behalf.

Many of the women you are attacking here know and are friends with transwomen, transwomen who are being harmed by this toxic atmosphere. They are the ones who will come out worst from this - and it will not be the fault of Gender Critical women on Mumsnet.

Look to your own responsibility for stirring up hatred and resentment against women and that will inevitably create a backlash from the sort of people who just love to have someone they can scapegoat - not you, of course, you will be safe.

You think you are a brave defender of marginalised people, virtuously promoting Social Justice. Open your eyes. This is a movement underwritten by billionaires.

Billionaires who profit from turning healthy children into adults with life-long dependencies on medication, who undergo expensive, risky surgeries that often need multiple repairs. And after all that, many are still very unhappy and dysphoric.

"Follow the Money: Pritzker Money All The Way, Baby!"

As far as children are concerned, this is a tragedy unfolding on a massive scale. More and more young women detransitioning, having undergone irreversible surgeries, many of them sterile, bearded with deep voices, swallowing difficulties, cardiovascular problems and the prospect of increased likelihood of suffering early dementia. The female body is not designed to tolerate the impact of high levels of testosterone.

Girls and women are the collateral damage of a movement that is driven by the desires of adult men. Sad to say that transmen are increasingly pressurising gay men for sex, having been misled into thinking that "same-gender attraction" will trump same-sex attraction, turning their disappointment and unhappiness against gay men and accusing them of "transphobia".

Lesbians, of course, have been under attack for much longer.

"Lesbians at Ground Zero"

Get the L Out new research LESBIANS AT GROUND ZERO revealed that lesbians are routinely being coerced into sexual relations with transwomen. The report includes findings of a survey which shows lesbians are under huge pressure within GBT communities to accept without question that “transwoman are women.” Lesbians who responded to the survey reported a wide variety of sexual violence by transwomen, including sexual harassment, sexual assault and rape.

Get the L Out calls on mainstream GBT organisations to take a stand against the harassment and assault of lesbians by “transwomen”, describing the current situation as akin to ‘corrective rape’ and ‘conversion therapy.’’

www.gettheloutuk.com/blog/category/research/lesbians-at-ground-zero.html

On top of everything else mentioned, you are supporting the corrective rape of lesbians.

You call this "progress"??

GC women on Twitter mostly argue about women’s rights and that is seen as abuse. The arguments get heated certainly, but that is how Twitter works. If they are being “abused for being trans” it most likely is either not a GC woman, or it is actually not abuse, but a heated argument because they were demanding that men should have women’s rights, or that we acknowledge that men are women.

I read the whole thing. The idea that we have developed coded language filled with “dogwhistles” presumably means speaking plain English. We insist we are discussing “women’s rights” and that is converted in the minds of anyone paranoid to “anti-trans rights”.

Interesting word towards the end:

”This however is just Transphobia repackaged for the mass market and it is effective in convincing the laymen that we are a threat to society.

The laymen? I think what they mean is people with varying levels of knowledge. How dare we convince people that the current demands of the extremist forms of transactivism threaten women’s rights and thus society! We are obviously terrible people! But seeing those with less knowledge as “laymen” seems astonishingly dismissive and scornful to me. Nobody GC is a professional or specialist on the subject. We’re ordinary people who have learned about the conflict because it affects us. And others who don’t know yet are not some “other” group, but simply people who don’t know the arguments yet.

You know that bit when a kid realises they're not getting their own way, so start to cry and tantrum? Yeah, that.

Also, it doesn't work to claim how mentally unwell you are, and then accuse others of saying you're mentally unwell. If you're so suicidal you need medication, that ain't mental robustness.

When there are people who not only believe men can become women, and represent women, but who also argue with a straight face that women who disbelieve should not be allowed to say so, then mockery is pretty much all we have left.

@LittleBlueToday

I read all of it. The transmisogyny on here is horrible and doesn’t really make any sense to me - they are a marginalized and victimized group. To say that the opposite is true is just mad! Anyway, I’m seriously considering quitting this site as I just don’t like the transphobia on here. I just don’t get the counter argument that they’re erasing women’s rights or spaces. I can’t see it. All I can see is progression and that’s obviously being challenged and criticized. Doesn’t change the fact that change and progression are good and necessary, especially when it comes to transwomen. We have come a long way as a society in accepting transgender people. It’s a shame there is so much vitriol launched at them from other women.

I don't doubt trans people get vile abuse on twitter. A lot of people do: it's an awful platform with shoddy moderation.

However, I would bet my arse that the abuse isn't coming from the people they actually want chucked off twitter: GC feminists.

This is a thinly-veiled attempt to shut women who disagree with them up.

And stop trying to make transmisogyny happen. It's not going to happen.

LittleBlueToday

And what about the trans people who understand that they remain the sex they were born, and support single sex spaces and that transwomen do not have any right to speak for all women, only transwomen.

Have you actually seen the abuse they receive from those you call vulnerable and marginalised? That makes them even more vulnerable and marginalised.

Or the detransitioners. Have you seen the way they are treated by the activists.

So, when you are supporting a petition such as this, can you tell me how you are supporting these groups within that group you tell us are the most marginalised? Because have you asked yourself why they want to silence the opinions of other trans people who don’t agree with the opinions presented in this petition?

Can you not see what is happening there?

So Munroe Bergdorf is one of the most highly respected members of their community? That explains A LOT.

I hope this isn't being taken seriously?

Trans people, like anyone else, shouldn't have to suffer online abuse and it's never good when anyone is so viciously attacked they leave Twitter.

But this is a very immature piece of writing, all emotion and no fact, blaming women for all the things we have definitely seen create fear and harassment towards us from the TRAs. Twitter is a cesspit for everyone these days, but we know it has driven out and doxxed GC women in droves for disproportionately unfair reasons. While it is it not nice that the person who wrote it feels so unhappy in life, it is also making a profoundly dishonest (and misogynistic) argument.

There is a huge difference between people asking fundamental, legitimate questions and toxic, impersonal, genuinely transphobic abuse. This person can't see that, and produces no evidence to back up outlandish claims designed to land women and women's orgs in the merde. That's rightfully called libel, not 'fear of repercussion'.

Really hope this has not gained any serious traction, I'm afraid to look though.

What a load of bollocks that petition is.

My solution - ban twitter in the UK, that'd sort it

Molesmokes great post