Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall -thread 2

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Previous thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3950877-Allison-Bailey-to-sue-Stonewall

Allison's website allisonbailey.co.uk

Statement

First and foremost, I hope that my legal action will bring me justice. I also hope that it can stop Stonewall from policing free speech via its Diversity Champions scheme.

Stonewall have signed up many companies, public bodies, voluntary sector organisations and government departments to their manifesto and their value system regarding trans rights. What is called Stonewall Law. Without most of the public realising it, a large swathe of British employers have signed up to the Stonewall value system. It has done this by trying to silence and vilify women like me who have genuine concerns about how its approach to trans inclusivity conflicts with the protections, safety and dignity of women, girls, children and LGB people.

We cannot achieve a just outcome for everyone while Stonewall are free to threaten women like me with the loss of our livelihoods and reputations. Stonewall must be held to account. I intend to do just that.

Several years ago it was pointed out officially that refuges needed to be asking and recording consultation with service users and not service providers who had their hands tied by funding requirements, or again by employees who had direct personal interest in achieving a non female-centred outcome.

and this is where that ends up, vulnerable girls can't access support because people are not considering safeguarding or their needs.

Just got an update from a homelessness charity I volunteer with, and apparently they've had to accommodate multiple young women who've withdrawn from emergency hostels due to an "immediate risk to their safety." This is because those hostels have mixed facilities now.

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Just got an update from a homelessness charity I volunteer with, and apparently they've had to accommodate multiple young women who've withdrawn from emergency hostels due to an "immediate risk to their safety." This is because those hostels have mixed facilities now.

And yet those hostels will no doubt deny, like the refuges, that they've ever known any issue ever for any female service user.

I noticed in the webchat with Victoria Atkins on MN last week a mention of safe accommodation for those who could not access refuges. Since I have no doubt who will be moved out to other provisions, it's likely to end up with peripheral accommodations being used by female people who need single sex provision and the central provisions being by default the mixed sex provisions. Which begs the question: why not just designate some mixed sex and some female only in the first place?

@MichelleofzeResistance

Just got an update from a homelessness charity I volunteer with, and apparently they've had to accommodate multiple young women who've withdrawn from emergency hostels due to an "immediate risk to their safety." This is because those hostels have mixed facilities now.

And yet those hostels will no doubt deny, like the refuges, that they've ever known any issue ever for any female service user.

I noticed in the webchat with Victoria Atkins on MN last week a mention of safe accommodation for those who could not access refuges. Since I have no doubt who will be moved out to other provisions, it's likely to end up with peripheral accommodations being used by female people who need single sex provision and the central provisions being by default the mixed sex provisions. Which begs the question: why not just designate some mixed sex and some female only in the first place?

Invisibility of women's rights, unawareness of the issue by priviledged middle classes leading the trans charge, a total systematic institutional contempt for women specific issues and the fact that mixed sex plus womens only services cost more.

Better to pretend the problem doesn't exist cos if you do that, you don't have to address it and the chances are that the most vulnerable don't have 'small charities' like Stonewall fighting their cause and even if they do those charities / individuals are being actively targetted by Stonewall to be silent for being bigoted against the 'most vulnerable in society'. They don't matter because they don't exist on the documentation that matters.

That it never enters anyone head that bigotry itself is a concept that those in most poverty / vulnerable do not have the luxury to enjoy. Their only concern is their own safety and self preservation.

Gardenbird would you consider starting a fresh thread with that tweet in it? It seems so important a thing to risk it going unseen in a long thread like this, we're forever being told there are no issues for females in mixed sex spaces and asked to produce evidence.

Sorry for the derail, but in case of interest Red* and others: if you read through the thread on that first tweet, someone with DSD is interpreting this as a cost saving approach from authorities rushing into mixed sex provisions, and not something wanted by that person who is making a 'not all of us think this' statement, and seems to be talking more about more sensitive and varied provisions needed.

I'm afraid I think they're mistaken, and it links with your point Red : the mixed agendas driving this need unpicking, and untangling. Whose agenda is the driving force behind the liberal labour rush to this? Because I would say from the evidence that it would be late male transitioners who have the most significant voice and power in this group, and are pushing openly and hardest against any boundaries being permitted at all around any provisions and spaces for female people, regardless of the impact upon females and female specific needs.

The more I read the more angry I get. I'm surprised my employer isn't on that Stonewall list, but it probably explains why we are having so much of their propaganda thrust in our faces. I'm biding my time before I work out what to say and to whom, hoping for a good outcome for Maya which will give me the confidence I need.

Is there any way of knowing a status update on Allison's funding situation? She makes clear any surplus will go to The Samaritans which is a worthy cause but not where I want my money to go. I might hang on a bit, but don't want that to preclude progress (not that what I'm able to give is in any way significant, but hopefully YSWIM)

@WookeyHole

Is there any way of knowing a status update on Allison's funding situation? She makes clear any surplus will go to The Samaritans which is a worthy cause but not where I want my money to go. I might hang on a bit, but don't want that to preclude progress (not that what I'm able to give is in any way significant, but hopefully YSWIM)

If you go to Allison’s site, which is her name followed by .co.uk, and look at the Donate page it shows the current total.

@MichelleofzeResistance

Gardenbird would you consider starting a fresh thread with that tweet in it? It seems so important a thing to risk it going unseen in a long thread like this, we're forever being told there are no issues for females in mixed sex spaces and asked to produce evidence.

Seconded (@gardenbird48).

Thank you @EmpressWitchDoesntBurn I'm sorry I wasn't clear, I mean status as in know if she needs more yet? I can donate, but I I don't want it to end up as surplus going to The Samaritans because I'd give more to e.g. Maya instead if Allison doesn't need it.

A black, working class lesbian was bullied by a charity that purports to support lesbians. This charity was trying to deprive her of her livelihood. And that bullying/persecution was due to the fact that she had the audacity to publicly state that she didn’t feel supported by that very charity. You couldn’t make this up

@CoffeeTeaChocolate, that's an effective précis.

She's 76% of the way to her current goal, if anyone wants to know.

@MichelleofzeResistance

Gardenbird would you consider starting a fresh thread with that tweet in it? It seems so important a thing to risk it going unseen in a long thread like this, we're forever being told there are no issues for females in mixed sex spaces and asked to produce evidence.

Will do :-))

The other problem I hear about is that many of the Special Advisors and staff are captured. If you write to Drakeford and Hutt (and probably most of the rest of them too), their assistants will filter out your letter/ email and bin it and send you an unhelpful reply. I think this is happening all over the UK and it's an attack on democracy. We need to start booking Zoom appointments so we can speak to our MPs and representatives face to face.

This.

I haven't had a response from my MP the last 4 times I have written to her. She used to be very good at replying. I suspect that my letters are being filtered out.

She's 76% of the way to her current goal, if anyone wants to know.

Great news!

Gardenbird Thank you

Hating to give more airtime to the less important matters but I thought Stonewall identified as a charity? Which means they fit comfortably into the large bracket (but not super major like many of the other charities a pp compared them to to demonstrate what a teeny tiny entity they are).

Back to lurking and gardening for me.

Over £115k of the £150k target now.

Still predominantly small donations coming from very large numbers of people.

Allison has shared the judgement on her website.

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Bailey.OPHJudgmentfinal.2202172-2020.Stout_.12-2-21.pdf

[quote yourhairiswinterfire]Allison has shared the judgement on her website.

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Bailey.OPHJudgmentfinal.2202172-2020.Stout_.12-2-21.pdf[/quote]
Thank you! Settling down for a read now

Reading it now.

Thanks.

OMG Para 44!

@TheLaughingGenome

OMG Para 44!

Para 44.

Para. 52

Para 50 too!

However, the Stonewall complaint of 31st October 2019 in itself plainly seeks to put pressure on Chambers to take action against the Claimant, indeed to the extent of urging Chambers to remove the Claimant from Chambers, and accompanies that with a threat about the ongoing relationship between Chambers and Stonewall itself if Chambers does not take action.

Snakes.