Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall -thread 2

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Previous thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3950877-Allison-Bailey-to-sue-Stonewall

Allison's website allisonbailey.co.uk

Statement

First and foremost, I hope that my legal action will bring me justice. I also hope that it can stop Stonewall from policing free speech via its Diversity Champions scheme.

Stonewall have signed up many companies, public bodies, voluntary sector organisations and government departments to their manifesto and their value system regarding trans rights. What is called Stonewall Law. Without most of the public realising it, a large swathe of British employers have signed up to the Stonewall value system. It has done this by trying to silence and vilify women like me who have genuine concerns about how its approach to trans inclusivity conflicts with the protections, safety and dignity of women, girls, children and LGB people.

We cannot achieve a just outcome for everyone while Stonewall are free to threaten women like me with the loss of our livelihoods and reputations. Stonewall must be held to account. I intend to do just that.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

wouldn't imagine they would stand for a gay man with far right views or someone bisexual who opposed gay marriage either. That doesn't mean they don't support gay/bi people.

They don't support gay / lesbian people as they don't support same sex attraction.

Well they clearly do, they just recognise that sometimes things are a bit more complicated than chromosones and genitals along with the bulk of the LGBT community. I know there's some who disagree and they have LGB Alliance now. But I don't see LGB Alliance running anti-bullying workshops, or advice lines or sport inclusion schemes, and many LGB people realise this is important work and value it.

Ben Cooper did a brilliant job

He really did! I googled him and was pleased to find that in addition to all his sterling qualifications he has a nice, friendly face and even a beard. #NotAllBeards

I'm really enjoying posters talking around the "give me attention, I said GIVE ME ATTENTION!" posts.

An excellent day of sunlight both in the High Court and outdoors too. Let's see how much media coverage today's hearing gets.

nauticant

Peter Daly and QC Ben Cooper are on Maya Forstaters's legal team as well, so it is almost the same team. Which looks promising considering the great job they did today.

So pleased to see today's result. Huge thanks to everyone who was involved in the live updates. It was riveting!
I have also popped out to the garden to celebrate. It has grown very nicely today.

Excellent news!

I'm so grateful so much light is been shined on this and other cases. Soon the emperor's clothes will be visible to all!

I'm really enjoying posters talking around the "give me attention, I said GIVE ME ATTENTION!" posts

:)

Great news!

Yes I was really impressed when I saw that Ben cooper had stood in for another qc. Well done him.

Absolutely bleeding fantastic and stirring update from Allison. Tremendously encouraging.

I'm really enjoying posters talking around the "give me attention, I said GIVE ME ATTENTION!" posts

@jj1968

Stonewall had achieved pretty much everything it set out to do

This is true, there is literally no homophobia at all in society since gay marriage was introduced. How dare LGBT supportive organisations still exist.

If stonewall still believed in homosexuality and homophobia you'd have a point. Except they redefined their definition of homosexuality to be based on gender identity which mets the exact definition of institutional homophobia.

In doing so, Stonewall moved from being the champion of homosexuals to being the antithesis of this and becoming the very problem they claim to be against, whilst simultaneously claiming to represent the interest of homosexuals.

Thats the reason we are in this mess now.

They claim to be defenders of lesbians whilst being their primary political oppressers in 2021.

And they dont much like having this pointed out bluntly.

A rollercoaster day!

Well done everybody involved.

With that in mind, do Stonewall meet their description as a charitable institution if they are working against the people they claim to represent the interests of?

I stress here that the problems with Stonewall repeatedly come back to this homophobia redefining of terms and lobbying overreach which isn't being flagged as problematic and against the interests of those it claims to represent in its charity commission remit.

You can go into the ways and wherefores but it always comes back to institutional homophobia (particularly lesbophobia) and the self interest and power of Stonewall itself rather than being about all those it claims to represent.

There is no balance. Just the deliberate systematic removal of the visability of lesbians and the institutional erasure of evidence of the issues lesbians are facing. In other contexts the process would be compared to cultural suppression and even eradication of identity (I'm not going to use the word I'm thinking of here, only hint at it - the process is the same though).

Human rights exist only when balance is found. To do this you have to allow the identification of conflicts of interest. Stonewall are going out of their way to deny a problem because they gain power and political influence from doing so. (aka as lobbying which is why stressing the issues with lobbying which potentially imo are at odds with the law is important).

Its so far removed from the premise of protecting human rights as to be an active suppressor of them.

The history of rights has shown that oppressors frequently twist morality in perverse ways to justify suppression as being in the 'best interests' of their victims and society as a whole. 'Morality' is turned on its head to justify the indefensible.

Lesbians being told they are bigoted and need reeducation, discrimination and persecution in the work place in name of social progress for asserting their sexual boundaries and refusing dick makes a pretty good case for the prosecution on this score.

I really hope sunlight is shone on this paradox and perversity of the definition of homosexuality at the heart of the rot and corruption at Stonewall.

The replies to this tweet of stonewalls are awesome twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1359955364788199429?s=21

And yes redefining homosexuality to terms which are institutionally homophobic is pure unadulterated corruption of power and influence.

Great post RedToothBrush

[quote StillAWoman2]The replies to this tweet of stonewalls are awesome twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1359955364788199429?s=21[/quote]
Awesome.

Do Stonewall look at the responses and ever think, maybe we need to think about this.....

Do Stonewall look at the responses and ever think, maybe we need to think about this.....

Of course they don't. LGB people have been through what trans people are going through now before. And they know how it ends. All liberation struggles look like this. When those opposed to you realise you are such a threat that they have to move from ignoring you to throwing pretty much every resource they have into attacking you then it's just a matter of time. You've already won.

[quote StillAWoman2]The replies to this tweet of stonewalls are awesome twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1359955364788199429?s=21[/quote]
“Why are you fundraising? Do you need to buy a shredder?”

But I guess they’re looking at the replies and calculating all the money they’re going to need for the ‘re-education program’ for those poor lost souls.

Thanks OP for the great thread and all for your explanations.

This thread is brilliant. Allison is amazing 😍

I didn’t realise how tense I was until I got to the good bit and remembered to breath.

It seems June is going to be one mad month for all us gardeners

So dumb question of the day - what's to stop Stonewall and GCC from just deleting their WhatsApp and Facebook messages? How could Allison's team hope to recover them if they don't know what was said from the outset?

In any case, fantastic result. Really happy for Allison that she prevailed today! I was on tenterhooks reading the live tweets. Really missed @Spero and her sardonic asides!

I think this guy might be Ben Cooper QC on twitter - @cooper_lion

Ben deserves a round of applause for stepping in last minute as do Peter Daly and Ben's junior counsel Rachel Owusu-Agyei for their hard work in preparing the case for Allison.

Hi JJ

'Of course they don't. LGB people have been through what trans people are going through now before. And they know how it ends. All liberation struggles look like this. When those opposed to you realise you are such a threat that they have to move from ignoring you to throwing pretty much every resource they have into attacking you then it's just a matter of time. You've already won.'

How has this played out with women's rights globally and historically?

I don't recognise the pathway.

'LGB people have been through what trans people are going through now before'

And it is not finished.

I read on the BBC today about a South African footballer who was an out lesbian and was brutally raped and murdered.

Is that 'throwing everything they've got at you'?

'Well they clearly do, they just recognise that sometimes things are a bit more complicated than chromosones and genitals along with the bulk of the LGBT community.'

Oh come on JJ.

You're saying that the bulk of gay men are not partial to people with cocks?

That's really bizarre and yes homophobic.

Sexual orientation is about physical sex. Men/ women. Male bodies/ female bodies.

To flex this into. A gay man might well be attracted to a person who is 5'1, with hips tits and a cunt?

It's a lie and it's homophobic.