Breastfeeding is now chestfeeding, Brighton’s trans-friendly midwives are told

[Mulletsaremisunderstood]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/breastfeeding-is-now-chestfeeding-brightons-trans-friendly-midwives-are-told-pwlvmcnc7

Hope this link works as I am a subscriber to the times and logged in.

More nonsense being peddled as 'progressive' . When will the madness end!!?

You are 100% right Meredithgrey1 all women should have these services.

No it doesn't make you sound bitter, Meredith. When I look at this list of extra services provided (anyone interested, please go to the link in my last post) it makes me feel angry. To an extent, all women need these services. However some of it seems utterly OTT. Personal antenatal classes at home is mad (though I'm sure not everyone gets this). It appears they have not just the midwives but their own dedicated team including OB, ped, infant feeding midwife, etc etc etc. Feast for the few, famine for the rest??

I have looked after a couple of women whose partners were trans (I'm not denying it's probably more challenging to be pregnant and trans) and they were not delicate people. They were normal people with a few different needs who didn't require endless hand holding and mollycoddling.

I honestly wonder if there isn't a human rights complaint in here somewhere... if you're excluding women from all these extra services based solely on their gender identity, isn't that discrimination on a protected characteristic?

Can someone help find a thread, this issues has now appeared in my local breastfeeding group and whilst I have no issue with the addition of language I want to point to the pathway that one of the large breastfeeding groups are inclusive of transmens. There was thread about it.

@LouHotel

Can someone help find a thread, this issues has now appeared in my local breastfeeding group and whilst I have no issue with the addition of language I want to point to the pathway that one of the large breastfeeding groups are inclusive of transmens. There was thread about it.

Well, all I can say is, if all the women walk out any time someone they did not wish to be there turned up, the group and sooner or later, the charity would fail.

But if you put up with it, that is tacit acceptance. And if you accept it, its your choice.

@teezletangler. This is utter nonsense. Any woman turning up claiming to identify as male disproves it immediately by being pregnant. Any compromise that denies science and material reality here is another nail in the coffin of Women’s sex-based Rights. May I remind everyone of Karl Popper’s famous maxim that to tolerance of the intolerable will ultimately destroy tolerance. If a woman choose to live as man, fine, as long as they remember that ONLY WOMEN can become pregnant. Can’t have it both ways.

Where are the backbones of the women being affected by this? Where are the backbones of the mothers and sisters and friends and work colleagues of the women who support are supporting this? This isn't a men vs. women issue, this is a women vs wankers wokers issue, and there seems to be a substantial deficit of spinal column on one side. If the woke community bring a fight to our door, and we are happy to let them walk all over us (except maybe some tutting on MN about how simply awful it is), then we deserve everything that is coming.

I for one am too old to give a F. I'm just gonna watch the train wreck and see if today's younger generations have any fight left in them, or if we really did raise a bunch of snowflakes. At the moment is seams like society is crumbling because we turned everyone into spineless whiners.

Where are the backbones of the women being affected by this? Where are the backbones of the mothers and sisters and friends and work colleagues of the women who support are supporting this? This isn't a men vs. women issue, this is a women vs wankers wokers issue, and there seems to be a substantial deficit of spinal column on one side. If the woke community bring a fight to our door, and we are happy to let them walk all over us (except maybe some tutting on MN about how simply awful it is), then we deserve everything that is coming.

I don't feel that's an entirely fair assessment of what has happened or is happening. We haven't just sat around tutting on MN, a large number of individuals and grassroots groups fighting back on this have sprung from this very site. We've also had some fairly significant successes but it's not all going to happen overnight, it's going to be a long slog.

British women have shown incredible backbone in this fight, I don't have the sense of us being walked over rather that we are holding the line for everyone else.

Sorry I mean Transwomen. There is a thread here about the la leche league including trans women which is the pathway I disagree with.

LouHotel - I thought there was a recent thread but can only find these from last year:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4119086-erasure-of-mother-in-breastfeeding-groups
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4091356-La-Leche-League-will-support-males-of-the-male-sex-who-wish-to-breastfeed
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4082002-La-Leche-League-FB-page
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3950303-Transgender-breast-chest-feeding
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4096260-The-Baroness-takes-on-La-Leche-League

Thank you, wow I cant believe how long I've been following this forum.. off to get banned from a group I've been in for 7 years I suppose.

"Chest feeding" sounds gross to me for some reason.

Why would breastfeeding even cause offence to somebody who wishes to be a woman? Surely they would be happy to now have breasts and leave their male chests behind.

@Blessex

Why would breastfeeding even cause offence to somebody who wishes to be a woman? Surely they would be happy to now have breasts and leave their male chests behind.

Offence is taken by those who prefer to think of their breasts as a chest, to the extent of having their breasts removed.

Given that both sexes have breast, to change " breast feeding' to "chest" feeding
makes absolutely no sense. Breast feeding is not just accurate but it is also the inclusive term. Transmen like men have breasts, so what's the problem?

@Blessex

Why would breastfeeding even cause offence to somebody who wishes to be a woman? Surely they would be happy to now have breasts and leave their male chests behind.

I've followed this on FB as well and many seem under the impression that it's males identifying as females who are pushing this. It's a transman called Freddy something who's behind this change.

We can hardly be surprised to find out that it's NOT tw activists behind it though, they have tried (in many instances succeeded) to commander our spaces before.

Freddy McConnell has indeed been advising Brighton on this

Freddy is very unhappy that they were not allowed to be registered as their child's father rather than the mother www.theguardian.com/society/2020/nov/16/trans-man-loses-uk-legal-battle-to-register-as-his-childs-father

Freddy has a GRC so despite promising to live in their acquired gender (gender is the word used by Government) for the rest of their life, Freddy decided to become pregnant which you'd think was oooh a pretty female thing to do....

Freddy seems to want the best of both worlds

Julia Hartley Brewer couldn't find out why breastfeeding was offensive either.

fb.watch/3C38KZCRk6/

Why would breastfeeding even cause offence to somebody who wishes to be a woman? Surely they would be happy to now have breasts and leave their male chests behind

i think the idea is not to upset or trigger pregnant transmen, not transwomen. Transmen have usually had mastectomies to get rid of the dreaded breasts.

You do have to wonder though, why on earth a transman would want to become pregnant in the first place. Could there be anything more archetypically female in experience? If you can cope with having a pregnant belly, then i'm sure you can cope with the word 'breast'.

Milk comes from ducts in the breast, anyway not from the chest.

Freddy seems to want the best of both worlds

Indeed. Entitlement personified.

Breast tissue consists of milk-producing glands (lobules), ducts that carry milk to the nipples, and fat. During puberty, women begin developing more breast tissue, and men do not. But because men are born with a small amount of breast tissue, they can develop breast cancer

The chest is the area of origin for many of the body’s systems as it houses organs such as the heart, oesophagus, trachea, lungs, and thoracic diaphragm

This is thanks to a Mumsnetter, @legalfeminist, and Graham Linehan’s sub stack post.

If women really want to do something about the erasure of women, this is a link to a list of all the organisations supporting Stonewall, and by doing so are supporting Stonewall’s anti-women, homophobic agenda. If any of these are in your area, write to them pointing out the unintended consequences of their support: the destruction and loss of women’s single-sex spaces that ensure our safety, dignity and privacy, women’s representation, facilities, sports, awards, scholarships - everything in fact that is reserved to women.

“Legal Feminist
@legalfeminist
Look what a clever Mumsnetter did - and here's her list
pastebin.com/uNXShx3r
#DontSubmitToStonewall”

This annoys me on lots of levels.

I am a big fan of plain English. Even more important after birth when you’re exhausted etc - language needs to be clear and correct. Generally speaking I think the NHS do this very well.

When I first came across the phrase ‘chest-feeding’ I thought (wrongly, clearly) that it referred to feeding a baby on your chest with a bottle (i.e imitating breast-feeding but with a bottle instead).

I both breasts and a chest. My baby regular slept on my chest in those first few weeks - nestled in that gap between my breasts.

This new terminology is both confusing and incorrect. I really hope they re-think this.

Glad to have got that off my chest [sorry].