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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Have you ever ... ? (Things women have to deal with, that men don't)

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EssenceOfDittany · 08/02/2021 23:51

I had a conversation with a naive "be kind" sort of person (male) the other day at work, who casually came out with something about sex being basically irrelevant next to gender identity. I reminded him that the sole reason for women's oppression throughout history is biology, i.e. sex. Thankfully he revised his position pretty quickly and looked like he felt a bit silly for having said it in the first place. (I think he is also blissfully unaware of how controversial such a "belief" is these days, and was only parroting the thing about gender because he'd heard lots of other people say it.)

This got me thinking, I'd like to compile a list of some of the crappy things girls/women have to deal with in their everyday lives that men never/rarely do, so that when someone more set in their opinions says "sex is irrelevant", I can say "really? So, have you ever ... ?"

A few to start us off:

… spent the entire day with a jumper tied around your waste to hide the blood stain on your trousers when your period caught you off-guard?

… left a social gathering earlier than you wanted because you realised you didn’t have enough sanpro to get you through the evening?

… made an excuse to not go swimming when you’d like to, because you realise you haven’t done the requisite bikini/leg/armpit maintenance?

… spent hours painfully removing your pubic hair when you didn’t want to, because an intimate male partner told you it was disgusting and you didn't have the confidence to tell him to sod off?

… endlessly plucked/waxed/obsessed over your upper lip hair because it would be a disaster if someone realised that was your natural state?

… taken the route three times as long, just to avoid going down a short alley alone in the dark?

… clutched your keys between your fingers with the “blade” sticking outwards to make you feel like you might stand a chance if attacked by a man, since you know you’ll have no chance based on strength alone?

… asked a family member to track your location when you’re out alone, and told them exactly where they should expect you to be every step of the journey, so they can raise the alarm if something happens to you?

… felt relieved when your company moved to WFH, because you could finally stop putting on a brave face at your desk while in agony on your period?

… worried about judgement from your colleagues when you say you're “feeling ill” a day or two every month?

... had a constant sick feeling in your stomach when out alone in your local area after dark, because you're afraid of being assaulted/mugged?

Please help me flesh out the list further! I’ve only scratched the surface, and I know there are so many more examples, relating to motherhood, career progression, DV, women’s health, general safety, all sorts. I want to rattle off this list next time someone dares suggest that “sex is irrelevant”.

OP posts:
Estara · 09/02/2021 15:30

Clothes shopping (especially underwear and shoes) I'm 5ft 1, why are the smaller sizes put on the higher shelfs?

Something which bugs me when at work.... Forms completed by the woman, but they list the man as the first name/ contact. You're completing the form, you're just as entitled to be named first. Why do you think you only deserve to be listed after the man of the house.

Sarahandduck18 · 09/02/2021 15:35

Knowing that if you got into a physical fight with a man he will likely have more muscle mass and be stronger so can do more harm to you than you can to him.

Having a sore sprained ankle for over a year after falling in heels.

Having legs covered in bruises from falling down stairs in heels.

Knowing that drinking the same amount as a man is more likely to cause lethal liver damage.

Suffering the pain of hair removal.

Having it in the back of your mind every time you have sex that you could get pregnant.

Having it in the back of your mind every time you walk alone after dark that you could get raped and get pregnant and be left with the choice of abortion or having a rapists baby.

Peeing when you sneeze/jump/cough after childbirth.

Always having to be prepared for a period starting due to erratic cycles.

Giving up on white/light coloured underwear.

Having red marks on your chest from under wires.

Suffering from auto immune conditions after childbirth.

Being expected to conform to intrusive medical procedures.

Anniying · 09/02/2021 15:38

Noted the registration of a taxi and sent it via text to a couple of people along with your location and destination.

Staffy1 · 09/02/2021 15:38

Paying for a taxi for the relatively short walk from house to station because I felt unsafe walking after being mugged.
Being told to smile by some stranger while minding my own business walking down the road, who then got nasty because I didn't.
Being offered a lift by a stranger while walking, who followed me in the car shouting abuse when I politely declined.

Staffy1 · 09/02/2021 15:43

Oh, and being told to stop googling by a paediatric consultant and accept that there was nothing to do be done about DC's symptoms, after refusing to do any standard tests (which I know should be done as a matter of course). When I challenged this, being told that my husband (who they had never met) should be at the next appointment.

kennelmaid · 09/02/2021 15:49

In the 1970s when I started work (and later), it was totally acceptable for nearly every man in the office to have a nude calendar on the wall with women posing, displaying tits and vagina.

No man would ever have to carry on trying to be business-like with pictures of full frontal males all around the work place.

Anniying · 09/02/2021 15:50

Being punched in the face by stranger for refusing to smile at him and declining his advances. (I WAS 16)

Being told as a husky 8 year old going through puberty I could not wear those shorts or a shirt skirt because it looked too sexual and I would distract the men and boys. (To this day I can't wear shorts or short skirts).

My brother's friend trying to rape me because I was polite to him and made the mistake of continuing a benign chat about music while walking him home.

My father's colleague making advances on me as a 13 year old girl and deliberately choosing to visit our house after making sure my parents were not home. Having him touch my butt in public in the presence of my mother and his wife. Blocking him 10 years later when he contacted me on social media.

Not being able to tell anyone especially my parents to this day because I would have been blamed for dressing suggestively (you know wearing any clothes that actually fit you and are not twenty sizes too big or covering every inch of my body), smiling or inviting the behaviour.

Still struggling to feel confident of my body as I was constantly shamed for it and blamed for men's reactions to it.

Anniying · 09/02/2021 15:53

Having to present my ideas through my male supervisor as a 20 year old engineer, as the same idea was dismissed without thought as I was a "silly little girl" with a lot to learn.

Staying in an abusive relationship for longer than necessary because of the stigma that comes with being a single mum

Anniying · 09/02/2021 15:57

Having a taxi driver drop you off at the incorrect address (couple of doors down) and pretending to go in, as you do not want him to be aware of your actual address as a single female who lives alone (given past experiences)

Similarly shouting out to noone before accepting a take away at night from the delivery man to keep up the pretenxe that you don't live alone

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 09/02/2021 16:00

I just want to hug (with consent of course🥰) everyone here whose life, self-worth, esteem, confidence etc has been damaged by creepy men (sometimes strangers, other times not). I wish it wasn't this way. And maybe the "be kind" message women are expected to extend to men dressed as women, could also be taught to men and boys in relation to women and girls.

YouokHun · 09/02/2021 16:17

Contending with terms like”bitchy resting face” and “being a Karen”. Sure, we have terms for different types of men too but IME those terms are not nearly so aggressively and unrelentingly applied to males.

FloatOn · 09/02/2021 16:51

God this thread is depressing, but so true.

Everytime you reverse the car a man will appear and make irrating hand movements.
Flashed at numerous times.
Attacked in my early twenties by my dps friend, thankfully hes now an ex friend!

Working as an engineer having to take a labourer with me when meeting a member of the public at their house just in case, the the member of the public directing all questions to the male labourer!

Hettya · 09/02/2021 17:13

Being punched in the face by stranger for refusing to smile at him and declining his advances.

This happened to me. 18th birthday gift in a nightclub. Had to go to work next day with a huge black eye. Having time off work was not an option.

ginandwineandbaileys · 09/02/2021 17:17

@Hettya

Being punched in the face by stranger for refusing to smile at him and declining his advances.

This happened to me. 18th birthday gift in a nightclub. Had to go to work next day with a huge black eye. Having time off work was not an option.

I was chased by a man, after he got an axe out of the boot of his car, because I refused to smile at him.
ginandwineandbaileys · 09/02/2021 17:19

Voicing opinions in meetings, being ignored until a man repeats my ideas and opinions and suddenly it's worth listening to

TheSmallClangerWhistlesAgain · 09/02/2021 17:19

Everything to do with the menopause, and how it's the punchline of a million unfunny jokes. If it happened to men, it'd be taken deadly seriously.

prisencolinensinainciusol2 · 09/02/2021 17:20

@Giggorata

I'd like to nominate this thread for classics.

Me too.

Some of the posts on this thread are heartbreaking.

Hettya · 09/02/2021 17:20

I was chased by a man, after he got an axe out of the boot of his car, because I refused to smile at him.

What the actual fuck 😡Flowers

winterinmadeira · 09/02/2021 17:24

Being told by a male consultant that my then acute medical condition was ‘all in my mind’ and Norplant being believed ...which is now a chronic and painful condition I have to live with.

HeartZone · 09/02/2021 17:31

Going on duke of Edinburgh expeditions packed up with sanpro for heavy flow and having to plan loo visits ( more like panic in case there were no public loos on route 😒)
Same for GCSE exams ....hoping no leakage during exam and being last one to leave chair at end ‘just in case’.

Sickofthisshit96 · 09/02/2021 17:52

Being accused of being either frigid or a whore. We really can’t win either way

Hettya · 09/02/2021 17:59

Being asked by a male gynecologist at around age 17 whether I liked it, whilst he was doing an internal examination.

slug · 09/02/2021 18:23

Watching colleagues check everything you say or do with your very junior male trainee despite being highly qualified, experienced, and the in-house specialist.

Enduring the endless wrath of colleague when said junior male publicly defers to my expertise (he'll go far that lad)

All pain being dismissed as "to be expected in a menopausal woman" despite describing at initial consultation the fall that initiated the knee pain that left me using a stick for a year. He didn't even bother looking at or touching the joint.

thosetalesofunexpected · 09/02/2021 18:25

Having my Arsehole/shit ex Partner /ex friend say i have weird tits,(just cause they sag,through having breast fed my children.

Also being touched inappropiatedly,when at a charitable local picnic event by a total stranger,at a local park.
(this was happening right in front of and by side of friends too.
In broad daylight in afternoon.

Goldensyrupissticky · 09/02/2021 18:32

Sitting on frozen on edge of my seat in assembly when the boy behind decided to unzip my skirt and do the same for my friends on either side. More worried at being told off in front of whole school.

Having bra straps pinged.

Having back rubbed by disgusting male teacher who was well known for locking self in rooms with 5th formers. Head refused to sort out.

Being hassled by older boys in school and having breasts rubbed but not able to complain as being an ‘ugly girl’ nobody would believe.

Having men shout out how sexually repulsive they find you. Why? I have never told a random man or woman I don’t want to have sex with them when I pass them in the street.

Being blamed by boyfriend that the reason I had unwanted comments from men in a bar about being unattractive is because I have too much makeup on.

Being judged because I am not pretty and dainty so must be mocked or ignored.

Having a colleague walk into a door when in the early stages of pregnancy my breasts increased massively while my stomach didn’t for ages.

Again, same pregnancy, another male colleague started quite creepy in his interactions, I assume because of my breasts, it was noted by the rest of my team. He’d been very off-hand before then. Unsettling but slightly odd how the balance of power altered.

Now- I am invisible. Joined a running group, took teen son, in group with 2 middle aged men and woman in early 30s/ late 20s. I might as well have not been there for the amount of times the men spoke to me.

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