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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Have you ever ... ? (Things women have to deal with, that men don't)

421 replies

EssenceOfDittany · 08/02/2021 23:51

I had a conversation with a naive "be kind" sort of person (male) the other day at work, who casually came out with something about sex being basically irrelevant next to gender identity. I reminded him that the sole reason for women's oppression throughout history is biology, i.e. sex. Thankfully he revised his position pretty quickly and looked like he felt a bit silly for having said it in the first place. (I think he is also blissfully unaware of how controversial such a "belief" is these days, and was only parroting the thing about gender because he'd heard lots of other people say it.)

This got me thinking, I'd like to compile a list of some of the crappy things girls/women have to deal with in their everyday lives that men never/rarely do, so that when someone more set in their opinions says "sex is irrelevant", I can say "really? So, have you ever ... ?"

A few to start us off:

… spent the entire day with a jumper tied around your waste to hide the blood stain on your trousers when your period caught you off-guard?

… left a social gathering earlier than you wanted because you realised you didn’t have enough sanpro to get you through the evening?

… made an excuse to not go swimming when you’d like to, because you realise you haven’t done the requisite bikini/leg/armpit maintenance?

… spent hours painfully removing your pubic hair when you didn’t want to, because an intimate male partner told you it was disgusting and you didn't have the confidence to tell him to sod off?

… endlessly plucked/waxed/obsessed over your upper lip hair because it would be a disaster if someone realised that was your natural state?

… taken the route three times as long, just to avoid going down a short alley alone in the dark?

… clutched your keys between your fingers with the “blade” sticking outwards to make you feel like you might stand a chance if attacked by a man, since you know you’ll have no chance based on strength alone?

… asked a family member to track your location when you’re out alone, and told them exactly where they should expect you to be every step of the journey, so they can raise the alarm if something happens to you?

… felt relieved when your company moved to WFH, because you could finally stop putting on a brave face at your desk while in agony on your period?

… worried about judgement from your colleagues when you say you're “feeling ill” a day or two every month?

... had a constant sick feeling in your stomach when out alone in your local area after dark, because you're afraid of being assaulted/mugged?

Please help me flesh out the list further! I’ve only scratched the surface, and I know there are so many more examples, relating to motherhood, career progression, DV, women’s health, general safety, all sorts. I want to rattle off this list next time someone dares suggest that “sex is irrelevant”.

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SunsetBeetch · 09/02/2021 11:55

I'm so glad that building and construction companies take sexual harassment by their employees seriously now. My heart used to sink whenever I had to walk past a building site or some roadworks. It seemed to be ingrained in the work culture for them to shout stuff at women.

Worriedhomemover · 09/02/2021 11:55

Bras!

toomanydoghairs · 09/02/2021 11:56

Being approached/joined by a man (mainly older) in circumstances where it's hard to get away (train/bus/working in a shop etc) and asking personal questions/making inappropriate remarks. Feeling uncomfortable and considering telling his to fuck off, but not doing because a)if he gets angry he might do worse and b) not wanting to make a scene/seem rude. Realising that this has happened to me so many times I have lost count.

IncludeWomenInTheSequel · 09/02/2021 11:56

Pushing furniture up against my hotel room door when traveling for work. A female colleague was asleep when someone else was given a key to her room, walked in with his bags and put the light on.

Thankfully he was a decent person and left again immediately. But he equally might not have been.

gildalilly · 09/02/2021 11:57

Sorry I have more

Getting an internal promotion on merit and then being overlooked for any training whilst the (young, male) temp is taught all the additional technical knowledge I will need in my new role.

Making suggestions in team meetings or brain storms and having them ignored and when a bloke mentions the same thing 2 mins later they are applauded for it. And not wanting to say 'I said that earlier' as they'll just ignore you again.

Maybe I need a new job.

Maerchentante · 09/02/2021 11:59

Another one: Having customers think they can their orders quicker if they deal with my (male) boss. Sorry, not happening.

gardenbird48 · 09/02/2021 11:59

Twice (in two separate incidents, one in the uk and one abroad) had a late night knock at the hotel door from over attentive waiters who had seen me eating alone on business trips.

I was picked up bodily by a large bloke outside a nightclub and run off with down to a wooded area where a number of rapes had taken place (I fought him and screamed and he let me go).

All the period stuff you mention, stains at school, fainting in lessons, not being able to walk because the pain was so bad.

Hospital staff refusing to get a doctor to see me when I developed mastitis while on the children’s ward with my my 11 day old baby who was on intravenous antibiotics because the health visitors had ignored my concerns about possible infection.

Being paid less than a more junior male colleague and told it was my fault for ‘not negotiating hard enough’.

DubiousGoals · 09/02/2021 12:00

Asking if you can sit with a group of random (female) strangers in a pub/bar for a bit, because the friend you're meeting is running late and sitting on your own means pervy men hitting on you.

Wearing a 'wedding ring' when you're single and work in a customer-facing job.

Ringing the security/CCTV control centre to tell them you're leaving work on your own after dark.

DubiousGoals · 09/02/2021 12:01

WhatsApp or group text with the friends you've been out with so you can all confirm you got home safely.

Worriedhomemover · 09/02/2021 12:09

Oh and leaving the house.

If DH wants to leave the house he just goes (looking scruffy.)

I have to do my make up, put on a reasonable outfit, sort out my hair. I’d love to just be able to pop out in loungewear with no make up, but I just can’t as I’m too self conscious and I do think that’s something that’s been ingrained from a young age.

StillAWoman2 · 09/02/2021 12:10

@Forgothowmuchlhatehomeschoolin

When l was pregnant, l suffered with morning sickness til week 25 and there was a certain topic that always made me throw up. The men in the office l worked with used to talk about it constantly because they found it hilarious watching me run to the loo to be sick. Twats.
We deal with so much crap day to day but that colleagues would do this to a pregnant woman for no reason other than their amusement made me cry.
1940s · 09/02/2021 12:11

Hidden your hotel room number from male colleagues on a work trip, answered the 'where's your room' with vague ''up on the 6th floor through about 20 double doors' to lightheartedly brush off the question asked at 9am at the beginning of the conference only to lay in hotel bed at 1am with it double locked to hear the same colleague banging and begging to be let in?

Been wanked over at 12 laying in the local park with a friend. Ran home too distraught and embarrassed to detail the act to parents.

Crashed out at a male friends sofa( sober I may add) after a party to find them attempting to undo your trousers. (They thought I was very drunk - I hadn't touched a drop)

Been told I should get the tough difficult customer at work because they will fancy me and that will help me sell to them (I work in STEM)

Having an expectation even from my incredible DH that I would change my name after marriage. I didn't.

Dreading a work event that included a day on a yacht as I knew I'd be expected to wear swimwear infront of all my male colleagues.

Knowing that when I had a daughter I'd be worried all over for her growing up and that I'd secretly been wishing for a son.

That i have to teach my daughter Vulva abs Vagina instead of the much used / approved 'Willy' and yet I will likely face judgement for teaching her Vulva

ErrolTheDragon · 09/02/2021 12:12

@Worriedhomemover

Bras!
Not being able to run unless I'm wearing an uncomfortable 'compression' type.
Giggorata · 09/02/2021 12:12

I'd like to nominate this thread for classics.

ButterflyBitch · 09/02/2021 12:12

[quote Forgothowmuchlhatehomeschoolin]@ButterflyBitch your boss sounds awful too
The same place l was told not to go in the warehouse as part of the risk assessment but every time I asked someone if they could check something out while they were in the warehouse l was told "you are pregnant not disabled!" All these twats had daughters too!
Thankfully since then, both my jobs have been in mostly female staffed places so l don't have to defend myself against this kind of misogyny[/quote]
She was female. She was awful and didn’t like other women and always tried to play us off against one another. She was in her 40s. Was so glad when I went on maternity leave.

Crimeismymiddlename · 09/02/2021 12:17

Having to constantly tell people my pronoun. At work I have to ask this all the time so now I ask everyone what their tittle is, men get visibly frustrated, women like that it is not assumed as many are Doctors or Ms.
Being asked to see the manger, I am the manger, being told, no, the other one, the man.
The usual night travel/walk bullshit that men don’t even think about.
Being accused of over reacting when calming showing a male employee how much he had fucked up on my time off-yes he is a proper bellend.

Biscuitsanddoombar · 09/02/2021 12:18

Being the only woman in a committee meeting and hearing “we’re all gentleman here & I’m sure we can come to an agreement”

I said “I’m not and aren’t gentleman’s agreements not working why the club is in trouble?”

KellyanneConway · 09/02/2021 12:20

Lay awake on a hospital couch for around 20 minutes with your legs spread in stirrups in the air while a healthcare practitioner shines a torch into your cervix and inserts an instrument to burn out cancer cells. Twice, once in your 20s (when you had a panic attack and passed out) and once in your 40s,(when you didn't pass out because you had two children and got used to medics inspecting your fanny).

Flapjak · 09/02/2021 12:21

Been told to smile by various older men as a teen, young woman. Never happens now thank god and my face ia much more sour😀

Check who is walking behind me and carry keys if nighttime

Experienced sexual violence, assault, derogatory comments many many times

Chrestomanci3 · 09/02/2021 12:26

Being accompanied by a male junior trainee to a meeting (as part of their training, so they could observe), then my opinion being ignored by the male person we were meeting with. Had to politely refute what the trainee was saying as it was completely incorrect and dangerous.

whiteonesugar · 09/02/2021 12:27

Been sat at a bus stop with a 'man' punching the wall of it behind your head because you said you didn't want give him your phone number.

Forgothowmuchlhatehomeschoolin · 09/02/2021 12:31

@StillAWoman2 one of the guys wife was pregnant at the same time as me - l was terrified of childbirth and he took pleasure in winding me up about that too - l remember one day absolutely losing my shit with him and he backed off after that but it was so toxic. My boss had 4 daughters and used to regularly tell me he didn't think it right he should keep my job open just because l wanted a baby. I always said to him for someone with so many kids yourself your attitude is quite shocking. I was no doormat and stood up for myself but they would always do the oh we are only joking line.
Took great pleasure in not going back there after baby was born.
@ButterflyBitch eek you would like to think a female boss has a bit more understanding although l have had the odd female Manager who can be horrible too. Not sure why these people seem to enjoy being so vile. Thankfully where l am now my manager is amazing - only texts me out of hours to thank me for something l have done. Never leaving this place!!

Hettya · 09/02/2021 12:32

Taking my drink to the toilet with me, / standing with my hand over drink in pub in case someone tries to drop a pill in it.

Hyper alert, all the time, being very aware of my surroundings and whose around, in case I'm being followed.

Walking with keys between fingers.

Always walking the longer busier way home.

Not going for walks in isolated places alone, even in the daytime.

ButterflyBitch · 09/02/2021 12:35

@ Forgothowmuchlhatehomeschoolin I know it’s depressing. Think she was just one of those women who enjoys putting others down. Thankfully a long time ago. I’m a lot more wary of the misogynistic behaviour of men and women but at the grand age of 38 I have become invisible so now I just have to worry about teaching my daughter how to keep herself safe in this fucked up world.

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 09/02/2021 12:37

This is an amazing thread, I wonder what factor is common with all these experiences? Hmmm?
Very similar to this brilliant thread on Twitter twitter.com/ariana_erbon/status/1212427311083130880?s=21

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