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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Joanna Cherry (SNP) sacked

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LittleRa · 01/02/2021 14:26

twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1356233346565730304?s=21
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OvaHere · 01/02/2021 19:48

@Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails

Why aren’t my italics working?
You have to put the ^ at the end of every line.
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/02/2021 20:06

@Meredithgrey1, you might find it illuminating to spend time on the Wings over Scotland blog. I can't vouch for how true any of his recent reports are, but taken together with Joanna Cherry being sacked from her front bench role and Nicola Sturgeon's odd and desperate video appeal to transactivisits leaving the SNP last week, I'm getting the impression of a party which is falling apart and a leader who is clinging on to power for dear life.

Alec Salmond gives evidence next week to the enquiry into how he came to be charged with all those allegations of sexual assault by other party members. He was found not guilty on most and not proven on one. Now, that's nothing new in cases of sexual assault. We all know that the conviction rate is pitifully low. However, Wings has a link to some startling allegations about how the case came to be put together. Ex-ambassador Craig Murray says the media utterly failed to report most of the defence evidence, which is odd if true, as by his account it was devastating to the prosecution's case - cast iron evidence that some of his accusers couldn't have been where they said they were at the time of the alleged incidents, etc.

Mr Murray's suggestion may be fanciful but he says he wonders if Nicola Sturgeon is worried that AS may make yet another attempt to be elected as Party Leader (he's had two previous stints). Hence the pro-NS faction feeling that it was important to destroy AS's reputation for good and all.

Meanwhile, Joanna Cherry is a staunch ally of Salmond and would be a top contender to replace NS as leader should it come to a contest. JC's gender critical views are therefore a convenient stick to beat her with as NS has (inexplicably) thrown her lot in with the activists who are trying to get the SNP to adopt gender self-ID and all that goes with it.

I used to be an admirer of NS. She seemed a much better bet than Boris Johnson (of course, this isn't saying much). But now I'm getting the sense that the SNP has not managed the pandemic crisis well. The death rate in Scotland's major cities is high. The vaccination rate is low. It's extraordinary that with a once-in-a-century crisis to handle that the SNP has decided to push through a hate crimes bill which is so abysmally drafted that they are having to backtrack on key provisions every week.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/02/2021 20:09

Cherry's twitter...

"Action & inaction have consequences. Tonight I’ve received a vicious threat from a man to my personal safety. The matter has been reported to Police Scotland & I’m somewhere safe. Thank you for all the lovely messages of support"

Im sure there will be a wee unscripted video from NS condemning this, just like she condemned the abuse towards Cherry et al last time (spoiler, she didn't)

Winterlight · 01/02/2021 20:09

One party source said: "It's not surprising that Joanna has chosen to play a victim rather than supporting colleagues who have an exciting chance to cover the brief."

Like an abusive husband divorcing his wife:

Why can’t you be happy for me? It means some lucky women now have an exciting chance to sleep with me.

MiddlesexGirl · 01/02/2021 20:17

@Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails

Why aren’t my italics working?
Because you used paragraphs. Each paragraph needs the ^ symbols.
PartyofPun · 01/02/2021 20:22

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

One party source said: "It's not surprising that Joanna has chosen to play a victim rather than supporting colleagues who have an exciting chance to cover the brief."

This must be one of the most stupid comments ive ever heard

Utter gaslighting.

Dismissive of her and prioritising others. Singling her out (this would not be said to a male). Labelling her. Emotional language. Twisting the narrative.

NecessaryScene1 · 01/02/2021 20:32

@Meredithgrey1

I feel like I came into this story halfway and haven’t been able to find out what she did? Can anyone explain, google isn’t being overly helpful
This article is probably good background:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/sturgeon-s-purge-why-joanna-cherry-had-to-go/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Summary:

she was and remains an outspoken supporter of Alex Salmond

she is sometimes talked up as a potential successor or challenger to Sturgeon as SNP leader

perhaps Cherry’s biggest sin is that she is a gender-critical feminist

Cismyfatarse · 01/02/2021 20:37

Her biggest crime is being a woman who does not bow down to the mighty penis. She says what she sees and combined that with a fierce intelligence and a deep seated understanding of the law.

Shame she is pro independence which I cannot support as in every other way she is perfect. And being criticised for being pushy / bossy / strident is just a way of telling a woman to get back in her box.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 01/02/2021 20:40

Absolutely party

No one in their right mind would say that about ANYTHING else!

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 01/02/2021 20:51

Ex-ambassador Craig Murray says the media utterly failed to report most of the defence evidence, which is odd if true, as by his account it was devastating to the prosecution's case - cast iron evidence that some of his accusers couldn't have been where they said they were at the time of the alleged incidents, etc.

He’s right though. I was following it at the time and the allegations were repeated in lurid detail but the defence - including that one of the women was not there on the date she claimed - was given very little prominence.

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 01/02/2021 20:51

Sorry, you already said that about one of the women getting the date wrong. Staggering that the case went to court given that.

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 01/02/2021 20:53

It’s horrific to read that Joanna has received death threats. We’ve already had one female MP murdered in recent years Sad

SophocIestheFox · 01/02/2021 20:54

Fucking hell, what a shitshow.

I’m not a supporter, and honestly have no time for them, but they’re tearing apart my country and we all need for them to sort themselves out NOW, and stop shedding the few talented people (women) they have left. The power vacuum is terrifying- it’s not like there’s any coherent opposition.

Identity politics poisons everything. It’s like a political Midas touch that turns everything to shit Sad

theskyispink · 01/02/2021 20:58

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g That seems to be a decent summary of events, from what I've gathered. As to NS "inexplicably" throwing her hat in with the TRAs, I think it's pure distraction. NS isn't stupid, though right now her behaviour is indicating otherwise - she must have known the fuss this would cause.

This is an act of desperation and spite.

CharlieParley · 01/02/2021 21:01

@Meredithgrey1

I feel like I came into this story halfway and haven’t been able to find out what she did? Can anyone explain, google isn’t being overly helpful
All the signs point to the First Minister of Scotland being on her last few months as leader of the party. She has proven to be a mediocre leader, and like such leaders are wont to do, she has not supported and trained a talented colleague to take over from her.

Joanna Cherry is the obvious choice for successor, based on her track record, her standing with the membership and her reputation with the wider public (even people who loathe the idea of independence and therefore the SNP seem to respect her skill as a politician, however grudgingly).

One gets the feeling that the FM would rather poke her eyes out with a hot needle than allow that to happen. That she doesn't like Joanna has been quite obvious for years, but just how much she must hate her has only recently become apparent. It seems that the FM has either outright allowed or turned a blind eye to her own party's members and elected representatives to bully, harass and threaten Joanna Cherry and Joan McAlpine, the only two elected politicians and women's rights campaigners in her party who spoke out in defence of our existing legal rights. Because by doing so they oppose her own preferred ideology.

Unfortunately for the FM, they haven't been able to find anything to support the accusations of transphobia and anti-semitism (and they tried hard), so now officially Joanna has just sort of randomly lost her shadow cabinet post in a totally necessary random reshuffle. Not a team player, I think was the insinuation. And the FM will not say a word to rectify the misleading claims by activists that this is both proof of and punishment for transphobia. Or say anything at all to condemn, let alone stop the threats made against Joanna.

Babdoc · 01/02/2021 21:01

I’m sorry for Cherry, as I would be for any GC woman being sacked for her views, but as a unionist I am delighted to see the misogynistic SNP tearing itself apart and losing votes.
Pity we only have 3 months to the regional assembly election - a little more time for the wheels to come off would have been better!

CharlieParley · 01/02/2021 21:56

@Babdoc

I’m sorry for Cherry, as I would be for any GC woman being sacked for her views, but as a unionist I am delighted to see the misogynistic SNP tearing itself apart and losing votes. Pity we only have 3 months to the regional assembly election - a little more time for the wheels to come off would have been better!
I'm quite convinced you'll get your wish. The NEC shenanigans plus the machinations agains Joanna Cherry plus the ongoing parliamentary inquiry into how Alec Salmond was framed are hugely upsetting both the membership and SNP voters. There is a large faction of independence voters who seem not to care about corruption and the alleged criminal conduct of the leadership, but that core is not enough to carry the SNP to a resounding majority.

It was polling 62% at this point before the last election, and they're polling around 52% now, so it's entirely possible that this, all of this, will result in fewer seats.

littlbrowndog · 01/02/2021 22:27

Charlie. Great posts.

But this is our country

I love my country

To see some spiteful careerists doing this to a brave woman tears me up

My country brought to this

MsFogi · 01/02/2021 22:35

So do we think that MNers can make #CherryForLeader trend?

PersonaNonGarter · 01/02/2021 22:49

Urgh. She’s one of the few ones with some brains.

The SNP MPs and MSPs are in general a bunch of mediocre councillors wildly over promoted on the back of grievance.

It is no surprise that the pandemic is showing them up.

DiamondHanded · 01/02/2021 23:07

#CherryforFirstMinister

With hopefully her and Wightman starting a better party, one that recognises the equality act. I reckon it would be a quick thing to assemble a political dream team right now!

GrinitchSpinach · 01/02/2021 23:52

Does she have a contact address that’s not specifically for constituents, does anyone know? I would like to send a message of support.

yestheyhavethesamedad · 02/02/2021 00:02

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g he was bang on about the nec yesterday , no one denied his allegations , just complained they got leaked , spears actually said

"Legal advice is just that advice. We would never have the rights we have now if people never challenged legal advice, tested it or ignored it . The law is a tool used by many to subjugate minorities and maintain the status quo,its ok to challenge it when equality calls for it ."
This was about being told what they were doing breached the equality act . She has since deleted her page no doubt shouting about abuse and am fully expecting sturgeon to comment on it .
No one so far from the snp has condemned the abuse joanna cherry has faced or made reference to the fact the police are involved and she has had to go to a safe house .
Will no longer vote snp , if no independent candidate running will spoil my ballot

theskyispink · 02/02/2021 01:01

@yestheyhavethesamedad wtf, RS deleted her Twitter again? She's in and out of Twitter like the damn hokey-cokey.

I can honestly see it happening: JC in a safe house with police protection while Sturgeon makes yet another unscripted video condemning the overwhelming torrent of abuse* poor RS and the other fragile wokerati are currently facing.

*a single disagreeing tweet

CharlieParley · 02/02/2021 01:48

@GrinitchSpinach

Does she have a contact address that’s not specifically for constituents, does anyone know? I would like to send a message of support.
If you write to her parliamentary address as an MP, I'm sure her staff will pass it on.
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