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Joanna Cherry (SNP) sacked

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LittleRa · 01/02/2021 14:26

twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1356233346565730304?s=21
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pepperminttaste · 01/02/2021 17:15

It's still up @Oldmummybear. I'd read he'd deleted then reposted.

Joanna Cherry (SNP) sacked
FWRLurker · 01/02/2021 17:26

Can someone explain what “front bench” means? (Confused American)

VinylDetective · 01/02/2021 17:28

@FWRLurker

Can someone explain what “front bench” means? (Confused American)
It means she was the SNP equivalent of a government minister responsible for a department.
RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 01/02/2021 17:31

One party source said: "It's not surprising that Joanna has chosen to play a victim rather than supporting colleagues who have an exciting chance to cover the brief."

This must be one of the most stupid comments ive ever heard

Clymene · 01/02/2021 17:40

When Brexit was on the cards, I really thought Scotland might be the place where equality actually meant something, a chance to build a new, better future.

Sturgeon has totally blown it. What an absolute dunderhead she is.

PeterPandemic · 01/02/2021 17:48

On R4 now.

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 01/02/2021 18:21

@Clymene

When Brexit was on the cards, I really thought Scotland might be the place where equality actually meant something, a chance to build a new, better future.

Sturgeon has totally blown it. What an absolute dunderhead she is.

Same. WingsOverScotland has quite a good post analysing how many times Nicola Sturgeon has failed to press the case for independence since 2014 and concludes she lacks the courage.

There are a number of scandals brewing including what has happened to half a million pounds raised specifically for a second referendum but which has vanished from the SNP accounts.

Scotland had the chance of a future outside the Union but as an EU member with access to Erasmus, structural funding and all the other benefits we have lost through Brexit and Sturgeon blew it. History will not be kind.

Gt345 · 01/02/2021 18:23

Have sent her my support

Lizzie523 · 01/02/2021 18:29

It is with a heavy heart I will not be voting for them in May.

chestnutSquash · 01/02/2021 18:29

So upset and disgusted by this. She is such an intelligent, brave and pricipled woman. This is the sort of person we desperately need in government.

littlbrowndog · 01/02/2021 18:38

Now we have this. Humza has caved in

Joanna Cherry (SNP) sacked
andyoldlabour · 01/02/2021 18:43

Some of you may not like George Galloway, but he takes some stick on his twitter page for standing up for women.

twitter.com/WorkersPartyGB/status/1356225944818741248

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 01/02/2021 18:46

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

One party source said: "It's not surprising that Joanna has chosen to play a victim rather than supporting colleagues who have an exciting chance to cover the brief."

This must be one of the most stupid comments ive ever heard

It's a cult like comment. Very worrying no freedom of thought whatsoever.
dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 01/02/2021 18:48

@ThatIsNotMyUsername

Bit coming up on R4 imminent... radio may fly out of the window...
I turned it off even though it is a bad news story for SNP...can't stand them at all.
HandsOffMyRights · 01/02/2021 18:51

Fuck's sake.
I'm sorry Joanna.
You have more integrity than any of them.

TiredUselessHopeless · 01/02/2021 18:52

A huge majority of the most vocal SNP supporters on social media seem to be nasty, angry middle aged men. This hardly comes as a surprise, it’s what the SNP have made of theirselves and they will allow theirselves to be controlled by that pressure.

ArabellaScott · 01/02/2021 18:57

@Clymene

When Brexit was on the cards, I really thought Scotland might be the place where equality actually meant something, a chance to build a new, better future.

Sturgeon has totally blown it. What an absolute dunderhead she is.

I had hoped we might be able to escape the effects of Brexit via independence. Clearly only by sacrificing women's rights.

In which case, fuck off, independence.

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 01/02/2021 19:05

^I had hoped we might be able to escape the effects of Brexit via independence. Clearly only by sacrificing women's rights.

In which case, fuck off, independence.^

it’s such a massive failure of leadership to let things get this far. I’ve seen the same view expressed on the “other side”, for want of a better word - if Scotland can’t prioritise trans rights then they don’t want independence.

surely someone could have banged heads together several years ago and said look, independence first, then we decide all our policies for ourselves.

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 01/02/2021 19:06

Why aren’t my italics working?

RadandMad · 01/02/2021 19:20

Plenty of wee misogynist bairns on Twitter tonight.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/02/2021 19:41

SNP imploding? I thought that Alex Massie Times article from the other day summed the position up very well.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/alex-massie-sturgeons-trans-action-puts-her-credit-at-risk-0qvd2jk3d (there's a share token for this on a thread about it, I think)

As a catch-all party with only one condition for admittance — a belief in independence — the SNP typically goes to great lengths to avoid disappointing anyone. So long as you keep the faith on the national question, other matters are up for negotiation. The party has a strikingly limited intellectual or philosophical hinterland. As such, it lacks first principles upon which to base its world view and, being devoid of these, it finds itself lost when warring principles or positions collide.

Excellent article also in The Spectator today by Stephen Daisley, which concludes::

Announcing ‘his’ reshuffle today, Sturgeon’s Westminster footman Ian Blackford said ‘team working and cooperation are key to ensure results’, a statement that doesn’t require much reading between the lines. It speaks to an intolerance of dissent inside the SNP, a party which once prided itself on its love of a good rammy. The SNP under Sturgeon is infinitely more presidential, managerial, and clique-driven than New Labour under Tony Blair. (At least New Labour believed in — and, more importantly, did — things.)

We might have to borrow similar phrasing when talking about Nicola Sturgeon’s party (and it decidedly is her party). The Old SNP (1934–2014) went through major upheavals and ideological pivots under the ascendancy of one faction or another, from sovereigntism to ‘Independence in Europe’, economic and social rightishness to economic and social leftishness, but it remained a party in which the grassroots still mattered and internal debate was (grudgingly) tolerated.

Under Sturgeon, the New SNP (2014-present) is personality-led, elite-driven, and ruled by a doctrine that cannot be found anywhere in the party’s constitution (yet) but which holds more sway than fusty old rulebooks drawn up in fusty old conference halls and voted on by fusty old delegates.

It is a doctrine I call ‘coercive progressivism’ and is a total ideology of identity, culture and values that places these matters, rather than economic or social affairs, at the heart of politics and seeks to enforce its marginal orthodoxy on the mainstream by way of law, social pressure and institutional capture. It is, at root, a post-liberal and post-democratic movement. And it brooks not a peep of disagreement, which is why the foremost talent on the SNP frontbench is no longer on the SNP frontbench.

PronounssheRa · 01/02/2021 19:42

mobile.twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1356322899364376576

Joanna has received threats to her safety.
Sturgeon has lost control, the SNP is now run by misogynists and identity politics ideologues.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 01/02/2021 19:46

Oh, Man Intimidates Woman. FFS. As per.

If ye need it, ah'll gie ye haunners, Joanna.

Meredithgrey1 · 01/02/2021 19:46

I feel like I came into this story halfway and haven’t been able to find out what she did? Can anyone explain, google isn’t being overly helpful

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