Innocent drinks

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So another brand proves that they’re not keen on women having thoughts

Good that the press has picked it up.

“innocent Drinks have publicly cancelled a woman in her seventies because her views on women’s sex-based rights do not align with that of their preferred clientele.”

That’s a great article in the Critic. The writer nails it with her opening paragraph. ^

I don't really get how they think they can trawl through every single account they follow and make sure each follower's ideas 'align' with their own.

Coca cola, who own them, produce 3 million tonnes of plastic every year, the largest producer of plastic waste in the entire world. But make sure you don't follow an old lady on twitter! Now you're the good guys!

Part of me feels a bit sorry for whoever has to Wade through the mess of the Innocent twitter feed this morning..... had a very interesting time on there yesterday.

I like to dip in and engage every now and again, to see if there is anything new, I was amazed by the four or five people I was interacting with - sheesh, ask them a question at all they immediately bring up sealioning, dogwhistles, they descend very quickly into insults - one of them asked me if I was really a man because my avatar looked like a man. They are supposed to be the trans friendly ones, but use it as an insult themselves!!

Then the crowing about 'owning my ass' and threatening to block me, being 'shadowbanned' but ha, how clever they were, how stupid I was......

Then the accusations of me spouting bile and hatred and being a hateful bigot, of course.

Led me to the conclusion that they were not adults. It would be very funny if it wasn't so scarey. These children seem to be directing policy and getting people sacked, how did that happen!? Where are the adults!????

I think their recycling blurb is actually worse than Coke’s because it’s based on the false premise that producing millions of plastic bottles is somehow justifiable because innocent will help people live longer.

“Our mission has always been, and always will be, getting healthy drinks to people to help them live well and die old. At the moment, plastic bottles are the most sustainable way of doing that. We're on the case for making sure that plastic is treated in the right way so it has much less impact on the environment.”

If this claim were on a bottle and not just in the policies section of their website, would it be legal?

DeaconBoo ah I was missing the picture hence my confusion

I’ve logged on the website on a different device and can now see the screenshot - thank you

@merrymouse

I think their recycling blurb is actually worse than Coke’s because it’s based on the false premise that producing millions of plastic bottles is somehow justifiable because innocent will help people live longer.

“Our mission has always been, and always will be, getting healthy drinks to people to help them live well and die old. At the moment, plastic bottles are the most sustainable way of doing that. We're on the case for making sure that plastic is treated in the right way so it has much less impact on the environment.”

If this claim were on a bottle and not just in the policies section of their website, would it be legal?

Perhaps their diabetes-inducing smoothies are the real environmental agenda here - reduced longevity = less drain on the world’s resources.

So ooops right back atcha.

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I wonder why, if their mission has always been to get healthy drinks to people, they don't actually make healthy drinks?

I'm not fucking showing my genitals to a toilet inspector.

The adorable conviction of some that that's the only way you'd be able to tell.

@PotholeParadies

The misogyny I experienced is from Men.

How do you know? Did you inspect their genitals?

This thread has suddenly taken a hilarious turn which is welcome on such a grey day.

I thank you all xx

Yes, indeed, the sugary sugar in a plastic bottle company. So ethics. Much health.

... They've put themselves in the ridiculous position, following nearly 300k people...

If I try really hard I can just about imagine why someone would follow a company. Each to their own etc.

However, could someone explain to me why a company follows individual customers?

What's the point?

• “Our mission has always been, and always will be, getting healthy drinks to people to help them live well and die old. At the moment, plastic bottles are the most sustainable way of doing that. We're on the case for making sure that plastic is treated in the right way so it has much less impact on the environment.”

Surely the most sustainable way of getting healthy drinks to people is
A) support lots of clean water projects where needed (maybe they do this? If not, why not?)
B) sell lots of fruit and veg people can make into drinks. There's very little packaging

...sorry , fat thumb..very little packaging needed for oranges, apples, carrots, bananas.

My main healthy drink is tea though, I'd rather eat fruit than drink it.

@prisencolinensinainciusol2

I'm not fucking showing my genitals to a toilet inspector.

The adorable conviction of some that that's the only way you'd be able to tell.

The idea that for thousands of years we’ve been unable to tell the difference between men and women without looking at their genitals is one of the genuinely batshit things to come out of this ideology

The adorable conviction of some that that's the only way you'd be able to tell

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I'd rather eat fruit than drink it.

And Diabetes UK agrees!

www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/enjoy-food/what-to-drink-with-diabetes/fruit-juices-and-smoothies

"Fructose adds to your intake of free (added) sugars. Whole fruit, on the other hand, does not.

Whole fruit contains fibre (roughage), vitamins and minerals, which are good for your overall health. The fibre helps to slow down the speed the fructose is absorbed into your blood stream and can help you feel fuller for longer. This is why it’s better to eat whole fruit, rather than fruit in the form of juice or a smoothie.

Fruit juice and smoothies, on the other hand, have most of the fibre (roughage) removed when they are made and it’s very easy to drink large quantities in a short space of time. This means you could be drinking a lot of extra calories, carbs and sugar.

We know that too much of our sugar intake is coming from juices and smoothies, so it makes sense to cut down. The good news is that we are not eating enough fruit, so this is something you can eat more of. Though be mindful of serving sizes – it’s easy to overdo the dried fruit, grapes and tropical fruits without really thinking about it.

You can include fruit as part of your meal or as a snack, whichever suits your healthy eating plan. Don’t forget fresh, tinned and dried fruit all count."

More from the Diabetes website:

"A recent report by the Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition (SACN), stated that we need to reduce our intake of free (added) sugars by half.

The report recommends that we should consume no more than 5 per cent of our energy from free sugar. This means the maximum daily intake of free (added) sugar should be:

19g, equal to 5 cubes or 5 tsp of sugar, for children (aged 4 to 7)
24g, equal to 6 cubes or 6 tsp of sugar, for children aged (7 to 10)
30g, equal to 7 cubes or 7 tsp of sugar, for children (over 11) and adults"

If max daily sugar should be 30g, that means no innocent pomegranate magic.

Of course you could still argue that pomegranate magic tastes good so who cares if it contains too much sugar - the guidelines also mean no cake. However, unlike Mr Kipling, Innocent specifically sell their product as healthy.

However, could someone explain to me why a company follows individual customers?

Two reasons. The first is more unique to Innocent,
whose USP on social media is projecting an image of themselves as a small, friendly business that is more of a quirky personage than a faceless collection of employees. They build brand loyalty by encouraging people to feel affection for the company.

The second is more general. Following people with the business account is a way to keep in touch with the general twitter trends amongst their customer demographic, and gauge what they can tweet themselves to gain more positive attention. Or what they can retweet.

It's usually an effective strategy for Innocent. I don't follow them myself, but their tweets appear in my news feed anyway, because other people I follow retweet their content.

www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/03/lifeandhealth.foodanddrink

I'm starting to think that Innocent might never have been an ethical company...

@Quaagars

Quaagars They are saying men, as a group, do not over lap with 'trans folk', as a group

Yes, but again, where do you get they don't see trans men as men from this The misogyny I experienced is from Men. not trans folk.

Also not sure what you're referring to when you say You already outdid yourself when you asked me to explain what I mean by 'years' a few days ago in another thread

Was wondering that myself, not like she's a big account?
Then again people follow people for all kinds of reasons, as you say could quite easily have knitted them a hat lol
I mean, I follow Boris and that doesn't mean I'm a Tory.
Following people doesn't automatically mean you endorse everything they come out with.

I'll try and explain one more time. The misogyny I experienced is from Men. not trans folk.

The only way this statement works is if by 'men' they meant '"cis" men' only.
By men, they mean "cis" men. They do not include trans men in their definition of men.
Otherwise, a group defined as 'men including trans men, but not trans folk' is a logical impossibility.

Re 'years', on 28 Jan in the '1/2way' thread, you typed in a post addressed to me 'years? not sure what you mean by that.'
I found it a humorous example of your usual posting style, hence me saying 'you outdid yourself'. (And what I meant by it was "a period of time covering >1 calendar year and/or 365-day period". Both apply.)

Do you not remember the things you post from one day to the next?

I don't understand the thinking of these companies. I KNOW that men and boys eat and shop, but realistically, who are the main shoppers in the UK? It's the girlfriends, wives and mothers. It is. It's sexist but for now it's just a sad fact.

We females use(d) Bodyshop products way more than our male counterparts yet any mention of women's products or girls products are removed from their website, whilst allowing 'men' to be a perfectly searchable option with over 60 results.
We mums buy the kid's smoothies. We pick up the Flora in the Tesco shop. We females use Always sanpro. Christ, if there's ever a group to not piss off it's women when you only sell products specifically made for female biology!

So why are they pandering to the men who want to take our rights? The men and TRAs who give us a sub label for women (CIS) while they declare that they, Transwomen, are the real women now.

My shopping list keeps getting smaller and smaller in the hope that my non-contribution helps. That it's felt by the companies. That it actually causes a hurt to their bottom line and they do actually notice. All I can do is hope.

@BloodyDarrener

I don't understand the thinking of these companies. I KNOW that men and boys eat and shop, but realistically, who are the main shoppers in the UK? It's the girlfriends, wives and mothers. It is. It's sexist but for now it's just a sad fact.

We females use(d) Bodyshop products way more than our male counterparts yet any mention of women's products or girls products are removed from their website, whilst allowing 'men' to be a perfectly searchable option with over 60 results.
We mums buy the kid's smoothies. We pick up the Flora in the Tesco shop. We females use Always sanpro. Christ, if there's ever a group to not piss off it's women when you only sell products specifically made for female biology!

So why are they pandering to the men who want to take our rights? The men and TRAs who give us a sub label for women (CIS) while they declare that they, Transwomen, are the real women now.

My shopping list keeps getting smaller and smaller in the hope that my non-contribution helps. That it's felt by the companies. That it actually causes a hurt to their bottom line and they do actually notice. All I can do is hope.

I am also hoping things will change. It seems absolutely insane!

Thank you Pothole.