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Innocent drinks

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Biscuitsanddoombar · 29/01/2021 14:20

So another brand proves that they’re not keen on women having thoughts

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PotholeParadies · 02/02/2021 21:39

Why on earth was my post deleted?

justanotherneighinparadise · 02/02/2021 21:54

Actually you’re wrong about no-one’s viewpoint hanging changed. My viewpoint certainly has. Each one of these companies that actively side with the TRAs and support their literal violence goes off my purchase list. They’ll be some I can’t avoid, but they’ll be many I can. Innocent is one of those brands I don’t normally buy but occasionally add as part of a lunch meals etc. Now I will choose differently. So even if it’s just one customer it’s a loss to them, and that’s what happens when you turn benign food items into political hot potatoes.

PartyofPun · 02/02/2021 22:10

@SophocIestheFox

It really is a useful indicator these days that if a company suddenly takes an interest in policing their customers viewpoints on topics utterly irrelevant to their function in the world, then they’re almost certainly dropping a bollock on some more substantive aspect of their professed ethical standpoint.

Eg: innocent are hot on respect for gender identity, but will happily sell you a pouch of diabetes and are part of Coca Cola, who have an extremely flexible view of responsible tax paying.

Oatly will lecture you on how awful it is that boomers don’t understand pronouns, but are part owned by Blackstone, leading to shady links with Trump supporting and Amazonian deforestation, plus feeding their leftovers from making products for indulging vegans to farmed pigs.

Lush will profess to turn away transphobes and homophobes at the door of their shops, but have an unedifying tendency to encouraging exploitation and sexual harassment of their female employees. Bonus points to them for accidentally donating to Woman’s Place though Grin

Stick to companies that execute well against the relevant ethical standard for their product- fair trade, living wages, sustainability etc. The companies that do well on this don’t need to tell you anything else, and they shouldn’t.

This. Corporate misdirection is so cheap.

Whack a rainbow flag on your Twitter profile and meaningless slogan to distract everyone from the fact you are not paying women fairly, or paying tax, or sourcing your raw materials sustainably.

MaudTheInvincible · 02/02/2021 22:32

@justanotherneighinparadise

Actually you’re wrong about no-one’s viewpoint hanging changed. My viewpoint certainly has. Each one of these companies that actively side with the TRAs and support their literal violence goes off my purchase list. They’ll be some I can’t avoid, but they’ll be many I can. Innocent is one of those brands I don’t normally buy but occasionally add as part of a lunch meals etc. Now I will choose differently. So even if it’s just one customer it’s a loss to them, and that’s what happens when you turn benign food items into political hot potatoes.

Yes, my opinion of them has changed completely. Now I know they're not in the least what I thought and are instead ageist gynophobes, that they're owned by cocacola and that they have a shocking amount of sugar in them, my spending habits will change accordingly. And I'm talking to all my friends about all those things, too.

CorvusPurpureus · 02/02/2021 22:43

It's also worth noting that many companies have a global bottom line to think of, & worth noticing where their 'principles' begin & end.

So for example - I'm not in the U.K.

When M&S decided to do 'whatever you feel' changing rooms, I emailed to ask if this applied to our local store.

It didn't. They certainly weren't going to attempt this in other countries, & sent me a very fudgey response about it, to the effect that um, franchises.

So I can take my dds to try on bras in our home abroad in M&S, & be confident that they have a right to be in a female only space.

But if I'm visiting the U.K., M&S suddenly don't think that's a thing they can or should do.

Awfully flexible standards. Apparently it's transphobic to demand a single sex space in an M&S changing room in the U.K.

But in the rest of the world, it's absolutely fine in M&S to have single sex changing.

It's very hard to see any of this as other than corporate virtue signalling.

Furx · 02/02/2021 23:02

Innocent have a Mean "gender" pay gap of 60% in relation to bonuses, I can't unknow it. I won't forget*

Know what a fucking Woman is when it comes to paying us, don’t they. Mendacious twats.

This is what is at the absolute heart of all this (gestures broadly). All the faux oh gender is so hard... be who you want. Except. They all know damn well who to pay less and rape more... don’t they?

JKRismyhero · 02/02/2021 23:07

'Did what they were told to do'

They could have just ignored it. Instead they were 'told what to do' by some random bloke on the internet.

JKRismyhero · 02/02/2021 23:08

@Furx

Innocent have a Mean "gender" pay gap of 60% in relation to bonuses, I can't unknow it. I won't forget*

Know what a fucking Woman is when it comes to paying us, don’t they. Mendacious twats.

This is what is at the absolute heart of all this (gestures broadly). All the faux oh gender is so hard... be who you want. Except. They all know damn well who to pay less and rape more... don’t they?

And which gender wipes bums.
DeaconBoo · 02/02/2021 23:10

The misogyny I experienced is from Men. not trans folk.

They really couldn't make it any more clear, could they, that they don't see trans men as men.

Quaagars · 02/02/2021 23:12

@DeaconBoo

The misogyny I experienced is from Men. not trans folk.

They really couldn't make it any more clear, could they, that they don't see trans men as men.

How do you get that from what you quoted?
TheOtherBoelynGirl · 02/02/2021 23:14

@CorvusPurpureus

Exactly. I live in an extremely conservative country, my husband is from here. I had this whole TWAW discussion with a Canadian friend who lives here and asked her if she would really expect my 90 year old MIL to understand all of this or call her transphobic and she said 'well no of course not.'

So it's all just bs really. It's one rule for some and another for others. And I don't mean this in some kind of 'oh the poor westerners are the baddies as usual', I mean that they don't hold anyone to the same standards because they essentially think they are below them.

DeaconBoo · 02/02/2021 23:14

Quaagars They are saying men, as a group, do not over lap with 'trans folk', as a group.
You already outdid yourself when you asked me to explain what I mean by 'years' a few days ago in another thread Grin

Ontheboardwalk · 02/02/2021 23:23

Genuine question I've not seen this type of thread before. What’s the issue?

Is it because Innocent follow a twitter poster with dodgy views? Aren’t there many dodgy people on Twitter?

Again not being goady honest

DeaconBoo · 02/02/2021 23:26

Ontheboardwalk Did you read the OP and did the picture show for you?
Innocent were following a 74-year-old woman on twitter. A goady twitter person told them to stop following her because she doesn't have the correct views. Innocent stop following her and apologise to goader.

Melroses · 02/02/2021 23:31

Some deleting been going on. Blush

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DeaconBoo · 02/02/2021 23:33

Just a few seconds looking at who Innocent follow throws up that it includes some bloke with pornhub.com as their website in their bio. I suppose they "endorse" that as well?

DeaconBoo · 02/02/2021 23:34

And someone tweeting "Boris is a tosspot" (I mean that's obviously true, but hardly politically neutral?)

But no, it's the older lady they need to distance themselves from.

DeaconBoo · 02/02/2021 23:37

They've put themselves in the ridiculous position, following nearly 300k people, of implicitly agreeing that "following" equals "endorsing".

Most people, whatever their views, don't agree that that's necessarily the case, except some hardcore kids. When I was on Twitter I used to follow Donald Trump to see what insane shit he came out with. I certainly don't endorse anything he's said!

Toseland · 02/02/2021 23:58

Why were Innocent following this person? I’d love to know. Did she knit them a hat?

yourhairiswinterfire · 03/02/2021 00:06

Just a few seconds looking at who Innocent follow throws up that it includes some bloke with pornhub.com as their website in their bio.

Hmm, wonder how quick they'd be to unfollow and publicly stand up for women who have been the victims of sex trafficking/revenge porn/rape etc if someone pointed that one out to them...

Quaagars · 03/02/2021 00:26

Quaagars They are saying men, as a group, do not over lap with 'trans folk', as a group

Yes, but again, where do you get they don't see trans men as men from this The misogyny I experienced is from Men. not trans folk. Confused

Also not sure what you're referring to when you say You already outdid yourself when you asked me to explain what I mean by 'years' a few days ago in another thread

Was wondering that myself, not like she's a big account?
Then again people follow people for all kinds of reasons, as you say could quite easily have knitted them a hat lol
I mean, I follow Boris and that doesn't mean I'm a Tory.
Following people doesn't automatically mean you endorse everything they come out with.

Quaagars · 03/02/2021 00:29

Why were Innocent following this person?

Damn, last bit was supposed to quote this Blush

MaudTheInvincible · 03/02/2021 00:50

And the Spectator https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-does-innocent-think-this-pensioner-is-guilty-of-transphobia-

She's caught the attention of a fair few people, it seems.

Datun · 03/02/2021 01:53

I had NO idea about the sugar! Off the list it goes.