Sarah Phillimore suspended from twitter

[anothermimsyborogove]

Barrister, women's right campaigner, mumsnetter @spero, and hero, Sarah Phillimore has been suspended from Twitter. Actor David Paisley and others are gloating about it.

She’s a Shero. These wankers are getting very worried. Losing a twitter account is annoying. But it will never stop us.

I wonder if anyone has considered suing twitter over all the suspensions? I know that Meghan Murphy tried and failed but we're in a different country. I presume that twitter in the UK has to abide by UK law. Court cases are the only way we ever seem to get anywhere.

I find the unaccountable tech giant censorship terrifying. In the long run I personally think that we need an independent ombudsman that adjudicates cases according to clear criteria.

@Floisme

Speaking strictly for myself, I am not interested in personal animosities between posters or in who said what on Twitter.

Me either.

If you don't like me and don't support me

I do. Shame you've been banned. Good luck :)

Andrew Doyle gave some interesting chat about how people no longer appear to be able to recognise metaphors or analogies as ways of aiding understanding. Now, you are deemed to be literally saying that the things are equivalent.

Yes, this has now been turned into quote "the poster was thrown off Twitter for antisemitism and transphobia" unquote. And the tweet above was "comparing Jewish people to dogs". You can make anyone into a monster if you try hard enough.

I really like and respect both Moody and Spero. They have both made huge contributions to the gender critical movement in the Uk and beyond.

However, I don't like Twitter spats or public slagging matches. You are both better than that. If something personal needs to be said, take it offline.

@Eowynthewarrior

Talking of Roman influence and musing on the rise and fall of empires and colonialism are we looking at a new dangerous imperialism here more powerful than any empire to date. Controlling the speech of the colonised population, controlling their freedom of religion and ability to earn a living ...except instead of the Romans, the Normans, the Ottomans we have a small number of mostly male people from mostly privileged backgrounds ( and I anticipate many of whom may feel better with computers than people) from a privileged corner of a first world country spreading the tentacles of a certain world view to people and societies that are very different from them. Aren’t we getting a new woke colonialism to replace the empires and associated problems of old? A distorted mirror seen through the eyes of Californian Silicon Valley males? Well it didn’t work out for the Romans when they pushed the indigenous population too far ...andin Britain that ended by an attacks on women ie the Boudiccan revolt

It is really weird you are saying this.

A few days ago, after reading a number of US articles that reviewed a number of British cultural products, I started to get the strange feeling that these reviewers had an attitude and perspective that reminded me of Orientalism.

It stank of an imperialist view towards colonies and other cultures: that the imperial elite culture (in this case, US wokeism) and perception was correct and all other cultures should be judged with reference to it, and inevitably found wanting.

The first one maybe but there’s no way the second and third ones are worthy of a ban. Lots of Jews understandably dislike comparisons to the holocaust but people do make them all the time.

That said, I do find Sarah’s behaviour and tone on Twitter aggressive (especially the constant quote tweeting rather than just replying) and incredibly unprofessional. The volume of her activity on there is also shocking. I think it’s a blessing in disguise for her personally because I think the image she thinks she portrays is quite different from the one she actually does.

Obviously I don’t agree with banning anyone though.

It's a strange world we live in where women being slightly bolshy in their language using analogies are to be banned.

But men who threaten violence or say they are paedophiles are just fine.

@Spero

I am not going to comment any further on this thread save to say my solicitor will be pleased to receive any unambiguous comment from an identifiable individual that I am an anti Semite.

If you don't like me and don't support me - newsflash. You don't have to. I do not agree I have tweeted anything ever that merited permanent suspension. If Twitter disagree then there is little I can do.

Good wishes to all fighting the good fight. Let's hope things are much better this time next year.

Your solicitor? Is it worth it? Really? The money, the police interviews, the hundreds of tweet posts a day? I think you need to step back from the drama that it seems you thrive on. Genuinely. In the highly public spats you’ve had with others that inevitably tend to involve police, reports to professional bodies or courts, it doesn’t come across as one-sided as I think you believe it does.

She does an excellent job promoting safeguarding children and there is a frothing sea of bile being spat at her on Twitter by misogynists and TRAs.

None of us are perfect and it’s obvious that there have been some serious bust-ups with other women who are also well respected.

Some (many? most?) of us here want to support all women targeted for harassment, as Sarah and others on this thread have been.

Sarah has already bowed out saying she does not intend to contribute more to this thread, so there is no point addressing comments to her.

If this turns into a fight-thread in her absence then it’s clearly not Sarah who needs to consider stepping back from the drama.

From Twitter

Tonight, twitter reads like "if I ban all loud women, everyone else will believe mammals can change sex"

@MoleSmokes

She does an excellent job promoting safeguarding children and there is a frothing sea of bile being spat at her on Twitter by misogynists and TRAs.

None of us are perfect and it’s obvious that there have been some serious bust-ups with other women who are also well respected.

Some (many? most?) of us here want to support all women targeted for harassment, as Sarah and others on this thread have been.

Sarah has already bowed out saying she does not intend to contribute more to this thread, so there is no point addressing comments to her.

If this turns into a fight-thread in her absence then it’s clearly not Sarah who needs to consider stepping back from the drama.

Okay. While she does some stuff for safeguarding children, she’s also laid into colleagues who have expressed concern about how family courts treat domestic abuse victims and told them that they are fussing about nothing and that there are no problems. This includes rubbishing empirical research on the topic. So that stuff is probably not so pro-safeguarding and I found it quite distasteful.

The constant QTs where a reply is much more appropriate are really annoying, as is the constant baiting and provoking of people that she knows full well will act on her commands to report her to her regulator. I’m really not sure that she’s aware how she comes across.

Could you give it a rest? Nobody cares about these twitter spats.

If you disliked her twitter style why didn't you unfollow, mute or block?
QTing serves a purpose and I don't understand why anyone would be critical of that small aspect of twitter?!

I think Sarah is brilliant, her tone is sometimes waspish but she's very dry and sarcastic which I like.

At least she's actually doing something irl about what she believes in, instead of purposely manufacturing drama for likes.

I'll dig a bit extra for her after seeing some of the responses on this thread.

This is how Twitter treats women. Helen staniland has also been banned

And if a guy sends you dick pics and you name him publicly you get a ban 🤷‍♀️

@littlbrowndog

This is how Twitter treats women. Helen staniland has also been banned

And if a guy sends you dick pics and you name him publicly you get a ban 🤷‍♀️

Ffs. Run by misogynists, for misogynists.

A right to a private dick

The right to a private dick is not sending pics of it to women and Twitter allowing this to happen

What I don't understand is why the GOOD men, the sensible ones, don't act when they see fellowmen abuse women in the way that is pervasive online.

I am fast concluding that Greer was right, that we have no idea how much men hate us.

I had a massive disagreement with Spero years ago when she refused to believe that mistakes were ever made with SS taking children in to care and domestic violence victims. I still maintain that I was shouted down and I could not provide evidence without breaching confidentiality of the people involved.

It took three years and an inquiry to get justice for the victims and it was done in secret. This was a women shutting another women down who was able to do so because of a following on here and also because she was seen as being more knowledgeable.

I hope that discussion is allowed on this thread (notwithstanding ignoring TRA trolls) and that is presumably what the thread was started for?

Having said that (and expecting a pile on), I support Spero to be able to stand up for what she believes in, most of it is what I believe in too and Twitter is a cesspit which no right minded person will use in time.

Why do you do this? (Some of you.) I don't know anyone on here and I'm sure if I did, I wouldn't get on with everyone. We all have our flaws. We all fuck up. I'm not at school any more thankfully, so I don't need constant reports on who gets on and who said what and who's fallen out and who's in whose gang. I Don't Care.

Do you believe feminism is about standing up for women? Cool. That'll do. Thrash the rest out somewhere else.

@Swiftjogger

I had a massive disagreement with Spero years ago when she refused to believe that mistakes were ever made with SS taking children in to care and domestic violence victims. I still maintain that I was shouted down and I could not provide evidence without breaching confidentiality of the people involved.

It took three years and an inquiry to get justice for the victims and it was done in secret. This was a women shutting another women down who was able to do so because of a following on here and also because she was seen as being more knowledgeable.

I hope that discussion is allowed on this thread (notwithstanding ignoring TRA trolls) and that is presumably what the thread was started for?

Having said that (and expecting a pile on), I support Spero to be able to stand up for what she believes in, most of it is what I believe in too and Twitter is a cesspit which no right minded person will use in time.

I completely agree with you. I don’t support anyone being silenced on Twitter either but getting on the wrong side of Sarah is quite unpleasant and while I agree with her about the gender stuff, I find her outright dismissal of concerns about the family courts quite worrying.

Oh and the QT stuff isn’t just annoying but it also invites pile-ons from followers every time she does it and I suspect that is why she does.

@Floisme

Why do you do this? (Some of you.) I don't know anyone on here and I'm sure if I did, I wouldn't get on with everyone. We all have our flaws. We all fuck up. I'm not at school any more thankfully, so I don't need constant reports on who gets on and who said what and who's fallen out and who's in whose gang. I Don't Care.

Do you believe feminism is about standing up for women? Cool. That'll do. Thrash the rest out somewhere else.

Because dismissing issues with the family courts and SS, deriding it as a childish ‘spat’ is doing exactly what you accuse others of doing to Spero.

And I can say that on here, and I will, because I am older and wiser and it is important.

I have not interacted with Spero since then, nor have I deliberately sought out a conflict. But I saw this thread in active and I said my piece- because I wanted to.
I won’t be policed by you or anyone.

Unless we move in your world, none of us can evaluate what you're saying. So yes, as far as I'm concerned it's the equivalent of a spat.
Say your piece if you want to but please don't assume anyone outside of your circle is interested.