'Transwomen' (though not 'transmen' welcome at Ann Summers parties. Love balls.

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The host of the party is the person who invites everyone, but often the invites extend to friends of friends and so on- people they might not know so well- as the host gets a % of what they spend of their own order. The person who does the party, or the woman working for the Ann summers mlm, isn’t the host, they are the person the host requests do the party. They often won’t know anyone there and need the commission.

I’ve only ever been to a couple- awful and not my thing but was invited by friends and when young it was part of meeting different people when a young student somewhere new. I knew a friends mum who did them when we were kid, but that’s forever ago. But unless it’s changed that’s who the host and demonstrator/Ann summers rep would be.

I don’t think whatever women’s fetishes are catered to by these parties -and imho most of it isn’t, it’s just women thinking they should like this underwear or being free to buy a vibrator without being embarrassed or anything- is at all comparable to men getting off making the rep feel uncomfortable demonstrating equipment etc. She’s doing a job, a very poorly ‘paid’ one that comes with no respect or any real job protections. Her having Janiv or Danielle Muscato or Alex Drummond or god forbid Karen white once’s she’s released, asking her what to do with love eggs or clit vibrators or anything else while she can’t say they are men & she doesn’t fucking know, while she’s stuck playing along in hopes of a teensy commission, and very possibly stuck being physically intimidated- these parties normally take part in people’s homes, with alcohol, so no protection of any sort- is in no way similar to how she might feel explaining bdsm to another woman. It’s not at all the same.

This thread smacks of the devision of lesser women and woman who have educations and real careers and would never lower themselves to joining an mlm. Just because a woman sells other women stockings in a woman only party for a bloody mlm doesn’t mean she’s fair game for any man that might like to use her discomfort at his female penis to get off.

You have a very narrow idea of fetish if you think it's limited to those items.

Oh dear, you wanted a big long list!

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

Where the fuck have i said any of that 😱

You said you invite friends and family to the parties. Which you do, yes. The poster was just pointing out anyone going to these parties could be indulging in their fetishes/fantasies, so so what if someone is trans? When biological women would be doing the exact same thing? There is a 1950s attitude to some of these posts, assuming the women there get easily embarrassed, aren't indulging fantasies etc Think that's what the poster meant anyway, that's how I read it!

Yes, that was what I meant, Quaagars, thank you.

@OldFolksTalkinBoutBackinMyDay2

You have a very narrow idea of fetish if you think it's limited to those items.

Oh dear, you wanted a big long list!

Not a big long list, just an acknowledgement that almost everything sold by Ann Summers could be defined as fetish wear or fetish items.

Curious now.

What items of "fetish-wear" can one buy at Ann Summers parties? Anyone?

(It needn't be a long list.)

@SqueakyCarrots

Laughing at the terrifying reality of self id is part of coping. There’s nothing malicious at laughing at the ridiculousness of some of this reality. We’re allowed to laugh at tw ‘breastfeeding’ or ‘needing’ tampons or trotting along to parties designed for women. This is our reality they are trampling all over, we can laugh at that the same way we laugh at the pigs in animal farm who start walking on two legs and living in the farmers house. It’s laughing at the blindness, not at tw, who fwr wouldn’t bat an eye lid at living however the fuck they want if they weren’t knowingly erasing us and our daughters in the process. None of us laugh at Mir or others who stand up for us, we’re good with men in skirts and support all mh support for them, we just laugh at those who believe it makes them the same as us who erase our rights in the process. It’s choosing to laugh rather than cry.

So basically you're laughing at transwomen being included in (or trotting along to) literally anything that pertains to women? And this thread isn't about tampons or breastfeeding which are an entirely different area imo. It may be a coping mechanism but that doesn't mean it never crosses the line into transphobia.

I had to get chips on the walk home i was that stressed

You are so full of excuses today!

Aspiring I think you need to check out the info on apg.

I’d have zero issue sitting at such a party-if I’d ever go to one as an adult not a student...- with the likes of Yardley, although I doubt he’d (he says he not she, respecting that) go- but I’d feel very very differently about one that included Janiv or Danielle Muscato or similar.

There’s a huge huge difference between the reasons behind why people trans and the apg one is a very different thing, a predatory threatening thing in plenty cases.

But we can’t see from the outside who has which reasons, the same way you can’t see my gentle, respectful husband would never pose you any harm, so we need a clear line. And that line is sex. Women means women and we need that protected in any and all areas. Even ones we’d baulk at the idea of attending.

@OldFolksTalkinBoutBackinMyDay2

Curious now.

What items of "fetish-wear" can one buy at Ann Summers parties? Anyone?

(It needn't be a long list.)

Sexy underwear, for a start. Costumes. Pink furry handcuffs.

Most people have a very narrow view of fetish though, including Anne Summers the company.

That’s not because people are generally stuck in the 1950s though, but because fetishes can be extremely niche (shrinking fetish? Balloon fetish? Squashing live bugs fetish? Gym sock and jockstrap fetish?) Anne Summers caters for none of them.
Bigots!

Sexy underwear, for a start. Costumes. Pink furry handcuffs

Oh dear.

Most 'sexy' underwear is designed not to turn a woman on but to cater to men's porn fantasies.

Pink furry handcuffs are surely a joke that turns no one on.

Was actually replying to your other post aspiring but it answers your next question also.

Yes tw eroding women only anywhere is the problem. They are more than welcome at anything that isn’t woman only, but they can’t change the meaning of our words even in seemingly irrelevant and unimportant areas like Ann summers mlms.

‘Trotting along’ because they see femininity as props to become a woman, so wear heels. It’s tongue in cheek, but again that doesn’t seem to translate well.

That’s not because people are generally stuck in the 1950s though, but because fetishes can be extremely niche

I have a fetish about being treated as a real person instead of an object for men to wank at or over. This is a fetish that is rarely catered for.

It’s the changing of a female space to a mixed space without being clear about which is the problem.

@LApprentiSorcier

There’s a massive issue between being happy to hand out sex toys to a group of women and potentially being used as an unwitting part of someone’s sexual fetish.

The whole industry of Ann Summers type businesses is founded on fetish. Sexy underwear is a fetish, sex toys are a fetish. If someone is hosting one of these parties, they can't have any idea what's going on in the minds of the guests/buyers whether they are female, male or trans. Or are you saying that only male-born individuals have any interest in fetish?

I’m saying that generally only men have a fetish which involves making others feel uncomfortable. I’ve seen and read about plenty of examples. Always male perpetrators.

@SqueakyCarrots

Aspiring I think you need to check out the info on apg.

I’d have zero issue sitting at such a party-if I’d ever go to one as an adult not a student...- with the likes of Yardley, although I doubt he’d (he says he not she, respecting that) go- but I’d feel very very differently about one that included Janiv or Danielle Muscato or similar.

There’s a huge huge difference between the reasons behind why people trans and the apg one is a very different thing, a predatory threatening thing in plenty cases.

But we can’t see from the outside who has which reasons, the same way you can’t see my gentle, respectful husband would never pose you any harm, so we need a clear line. And that line is sex. Women means women and we need that protected in any and all areas. Even ones we’d baulk at the idea of attending.

Fair enough, I guess I just don't see the need for such a derisory tone. For every Jessica Yaniv I'm sure there are many trans people just getting on with their lives and they don't deserve that.

I have a fetish about being treated as a real person instead of an object for men to wank at or over. This is a fetish that is rarely catered for.

I am nominating this for post of the day.

@SqueakyCarrots

And you’ve proven you don’t understand what words mean - tongue in cheek means it’s a joke.

We are allowed to laugh at what an unbearable reality self id will impose. Women are the butt of that joke, it’s ok to laugh at those who benefit from it -tw- I’m completely sure Mir and others won’t be offended we laughed at love eggs and clit stimulators.

I was just further laughing at how we all differently laugh at our situations doesn’t translate. I’m just saying different countries often have different humours, not saying everyone in Scotland sees it the same, just it’s a common trait back home, or was when I was growing up. And there’s certainly no ‘super special’ contained with in saying I come from a country where we laugh at everything in a way that’s not supposed to be offensive- just saying it doesn’t translate often. Saying we don’t take ourselves too seriously does not equal super special. It’s not a dig it’s a fuck the tone gets lost on line.

More sweeping generalisations. I don't go around trumpeting I'm Scottish as I don't think the accident of where I was born is particularly interesting but I find this wholesale imposition of national characteristics because of that accident offensive and extremely narrow minded.

Your point about wit could have been made without dragging in the ridiculous stereotypes. I assume you as a proclaimed feminist dismiss stereotypes but yet you are happy to promote and defend this stereotype.

Sexy underwear is for a fetish?

What is the fetish in that situation then?

I’m saying that generally only men have a fetish which involves making others feel uncomfortable. I’ve seen and read about plenty of examples. Always male perpetrators.

Or only males who get caught ...

I say again, you have no idea what is going on inside anyone's head at an event like this. You are making assumptions based on:

Male or transwoman: Potential festishist
Woman: Person who would never dream of having sexual thoughts about anyone else.

Humpty, thank you, and thank god! 👍🏻

Also wondering how wearing sexy underwear is for the men, to indulge their fetishes?!
Can we not wear it for US, because it makes us feel good?!
Admittedly, I'm more Bridget Jones type ones now lol but still

Again, it’s a tongue in cheek joke. Take offence at a joke by all means, but we have very serious real life stuff to be offended at.

And never once have I proclaimed to be a feminist. I tend to stick to saying I am pro women’s liberation, because people misuse words so badly these days a ‘feminist’ is whatever the fuck they say it is.

LA

Yeah, so im still not talking about fetish

Other posters have referred to it but I haven’t

Im just talking about SOME women who MIGHT be embarrassed if they THINK a man is in the room...not about fetish

(Loads of my friends have been to ann summers parties...i dont think any of them thought it was a fetish 😀)