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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

C**t as a derogative term.

197 replies

Billie18 · 16/01/2021 21:27

Makes my blood boil every time I hear it uses as a derogative term.

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HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 17/01/2021 03:52

Dearie me, you really don’t have an adequate response other than utter tosh?Is that your best effort?
Have a peruse around google, Scots language and the word cunt it’s usage.loads of informative research, it’s a linguistic and cultural phenomenon

cunt as a noun

Glasgow uni and Edinburgh uni excellent resources too

Saturday kitchen

Just because Nae cunt you know says cunt doesn’t mean it’s no a thingWink

Smiledwiththerisingsun · 17/01/2021 10:16

Meh.

Why is it so especially shocking?

Are the words: dick, knob, bellend just as offensive to you OP?

terryleather · 17/01/2021 10:20

Just because Nae cunt you know says cunt doesn’t mean it’s no a thing

Agreed Heels.

This thread's had me chuckling at those who refuse to believe that other people's lived experience differ from theirs - why it should rile them so much, I don't know.

By no means is everyone in Scotland going about "effing & c-ing" at every available opportunity but I'd say it's pretty common - in fact I was chatting to my 80+ year old neighbour just a couple of weeks ago and even she used the word.

I'd love to hear what she'd have to say to being painted as a "foul mouthed, knuckle dragging yob" Grin

highame · 17/01/2021 10:23

Another thread on this, how interesting is one word???? I suppose it could be indicative of the culture wars, seems that way, looking at the thread, though I haven't read it all, had my fill at the last one

ChattyLion · 17/01/2021 10:25

I absolutely hate it being used as a term of abuse. I am sweary AF and I don’t use that word ever in that way.

ChattyLion · 17/01/2021 10:27

Are the words: dick, knob, bellend just as offensive to you

No, completely different context and history to using those words. Fine to use IMHO

HecatesCats · 17/01/2021 10:27

Lovely to see so much repetition of misogynistic words in one thread. It's almost as if it's an exercise in repeating a particular word as often as possible.

SciFiScream · 17/01/2021 10:43

I'm Scottish. East Coast. Cunt is one of the worst words amongst me, my family and my groups of friends. People would really think ill of you using it.

I think we should reclaim the word cunt. It's should be a positive word. Cunts are warm and have depth. They can stand up to more punishment than a dick or balls. The latter can't take the heat!

I've heard the word cunt used twice in my life as a swear word by real people. Once was by me, another was a friend calling someone a thundercunt when something bad happened.

dyslek · 17/01/2021 10:54

@HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee

There’s nothing uncouth,uneducated or attention seeking about naturalistic use of language *@ivfbeenbusy* If it offends your middle class sensibilities that’s going tittu and demonstrably illustrates your lack of understanding about language and dialect.Imposing a modern mannered interpretation upon use of the word cunt as uneducated actually marks you out as uneducated in linguistics and culture You simply cannot diminish Irish and Scottish linguistics with a pithy comment about manners
I am working class and have lived in working class communities all my life and the idea that every second word is cunt is bullshit. I dare you to go into my local and start calling everyone a cunt and see what happens.

Cunt is still the rudest word there is, the fact that it is a work for what makes women women tells us alot about out societys view of the half of the poputlation that make people.

Saying that I agree with the poster who said they prefer its honest misogny to words like Karen or cis, two utterly misognystic words made up by middle class wankers who are cross with mummy.

CornishPastyDownUnder · 17/01/2021 11:03

Its big down under-a proper fave..girls&guys sling it around ; )
I prefer knobhead or cock..just slips out easier.
Bellend or tit was my teenDC chosen term but none of us actually say it it as a derogative any more then when I say bollox loudly if ive forgotten something.
Now "sorry" for this that and all the bloody time(soo british) on the other hand..dont even get me started!!

FamilyOfAliens · 17/01/2021 11:11

That video where Mhairi Black smirks as she calls any woman who doesn’t believe that TWAW a “Jeremy Hunt” is a reminder of how offensive it is when used to silence women.

HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 17/01/2021 11:34

You Dare me to go in the workman’s club and say cunt? To see what happens. Sure thing

As with all things regard language it’s all about intent

What was that cunt Johnson saying on tv about the lockdown? Not provocative
Your wife is an ugly cunt. Is Provocative

Both will get a different reaction

I’m simply asking people to acknowledge words have different meaning & usage. Yes I agree cunt is on the edge and pushing it. However you can’t close down or universally deny a word because it is swearie or makes you uncomfortable

I understand it’s uncomfortable for some as word

However dont project your discomfort to associate use of the word as being indicative of being
Uncouth
Vile
Ned
Uneducated

I’ve linked a programme from IPlayer please do look at it

tenlittlecygnets · 17/01/2021 12:21

@HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee

In Irish and Scottish slang it’s a colloquialism and pretty much in everyday parlance And it’s not offensive because it doesn’t refer to female anatomy
Only in certain sections of society!! Frankie Boyle does NOT represent me. No Scots I know ever talk like that.
tisonlymeagain · 17/01/2021 12:26

I don't like the word, I don't use it, but I'm not offended by those who chose to.

LizzieAnt · 17/01/2021 12:38

HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee
In Irish and Scottish slang it’s a colloquialism and pretty much in everyday parlance
And it’s not offensive because it doesn’t refer to female anatomy

I can't speak for Ireland but cunt is absolutely not used in "everyday parlance" in Scotland.

I'm in Ireland and it's considered the crudest swear word here and does refer to female anatomy.

EdgeOfACoin · 17/01/2021 13:10

I'm in London. I agree with OP that cunt is the most offensive sayable swear word in this part of the UK (which happens to have a population greater than Scotland). I find it incredibly misogynistic. I don't tend to swear anyway. Other things I find sexist:
A woman is called a bitch but man (esp in America) is called a son of a bitch. The insult is levelled at the man's mother, not the man.
A man may be called a bastard - ie that he is the product of an unmarried mother. The insult, again, is not at the man himself but at his mother.

I disagree that sexual coarse language is taboo language in this country, though. I have spelt out the above words in full and do not expect to get banned from Mumsnet.

The most taboo language in the UK is racist language, ie n and p**.

The oh-so-shocking and offensive comedians of our age would never use these words in their shows and if they did the BBC would fire them immediately. The middle-class mummies who find it cute when their seven-year-old child writes 'fuck' in context in a homework assignment might find it less cute when their child uses 'n***' as a term of endearment for their classmate.

So I'm afraid I don't buy into this idea that all language is acceptable and we have reached a stage where we have evolved beyond taboo words and only pearl-clutching Daily Mail readers could possibly complain. There are always taboo words - they just change over time.

Right now racist language is (rightly) outlawed in polite society.

Sexist and sexual language is cute and edgy and very much 'in'.

HecatesCats · 17/01/2021 13:37

We know a lot about banned words on FWR and this clearly isn't one of them. I wonder why?

HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 17/01/2021 13:53

Is this actually going to progress beyond the handwringing the horror of it?
I’m not asking anyone to make a revision of how they feel about the word or to use it
Just saying that it has multiple uses and is a slang word not always for female anatomy

You may or many not have heard it in everyday but undeniably it is

HecatesCats · 17/01/2021 14:03

There's literary no handwringing horror. I'm really not that bothered, just dubious about the purpose of the thread.

LizzieAnt · 17/01/2021 14:04

@HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee

No handwringing, but just pointing out it's not widely used as a non-offensive, everyday word in Ireland as you claim. Or in Scotland it seems.

HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 17/01/2021 14:14

In my experience it is commonly used expletive
@LizzieAnt That may not be your experience but it doesn’t negate mine

FWRLurker · 17/01/2021 14:23

It’s far more offensive here in the states, considered beyond the pale for a man to use as an insult at least. Here it’s nearly always used by men to denigrate other men (worst insult a misogynist can think of is to imply someone is female by reference to female anatomy).

I understand it’s used quite differently in the UK though as many PP have demonstrated.

bluepie · 17/01/2021 14:29

I would prefer to be called a cunt than a Karen. There is honesty in the former misogyny. Also prefer cunt than cis. Similar reasons

I agree with this. I also find the words slut or slag far more offensive than cunt, cunt doesn't offend me any more than twat does, there are male equivalents, but there are no male equivalents to slut or slag because it is a characteristic celebrated in men and only condoned in women. And yet, you will hear those words on TV far more than cunt.

LizzieAnt · 17/01/2021 14:37

@HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee

In my experience it is commonly used expletive *@LizzieAnt* That may not be your experience but it doesn’t negate mine
Saying now that it's used as an expletive is quite different to saying that's it's 'everyday parlance' that is not considered offensive. It is considered very offensive by many in Ireland. I just wanted to point that out in case people were misled by your earlier posts.
DrDreReturns · 17/01/2021 14:44

It's best when you have Monday off work and you tell your colleagues C U Next Tuesday

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