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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Liz Truss writes in the Mail on Sunday

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Lowhum · 27/12/2020 03:53

...and also mentions women’s rights again.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9089985/LIZ-TRUSS-Equality-not-just-woke-warriors-favoured-few.html

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DickKerrLadies · 29/12/2020 09:03

To be fair to the Tories, we're about to leave the EU and soon they can no longer use the EU as their scapegoat to blame for their own decisions. The logical next choice for them is the Labour party - they've been doing it since they got into power after all.

It's a shame that Labour are too busy self-identifying as the party of the working-class left to actually be that party.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 29/12/2020 10:18

Those pictures remind me of fan pictures with celebrities where the celebrity looks like they’ve been taken hostage.

Imnobody4 · 29/12/2020 12:10

Keir Starmer has appointed a Shadow Minister for Women who ignores pleas for a meeting from GC women

twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1343864957549555713?s=19

While posting this on twitter.

twitter.com/charlotte2153/status/1343661240887996417?s=19

HecatesCats · 29/12/2020 12:14

[quote Imnobody4]Keir Starmer has appointed a Shadow Minister for Women who ignores pleas for a meeting from GC women

twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1343864957549555713?s=19

While posting this on twitter.

twitter.com/charlotte2153/status/1343661240887996417?s=19[/quote]
Solidarity with Eddie Izzard, who is free, as is everyone else, to define herself in whatever terms she deems fit.

We're not free to define ourselves in whichever way we see fit. I'm not a broccoli and I'm not free to define myself as a a broccoli. How do people who are so hard of thinking end up in positions of influence?

Kaliorphic · 29/12/2020 12:44

How do people who are so hard of thinking end up in positions of influence?

Indeed.

Imnobody4 · 29/12/2020 13:11

Lord, she's a proper little woke airhead.
inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/women/international-womens-day-2020-sex-workers-strike-explained-403397

“Ten years ago, mainstream feminists were able to ignore the demands of sex workers calling for decriminalisation,” says spokesperson Camille Barbagallo. “Today, the UK has several pro-decriminalisation Labour MPs and the unionisation of strippers had led to impressive wins against exploitative clubs. Sex worker rights are decidedly on the feminist agenda.”

Alongside Dawn Butler, who hasquestionedthe efficacy of theNordic Model(under which the purchase of sex is criminalised), a form of legislation favoured by some female Labour MPs, Nadia Whittome, Charlotte Nichols and Zarah Sultana form the new crop of MPs sex worker-led organisations count as allies.

He really doesn't understand or give a damn about women's rights.

xxyzz · 29/12/2020 13:13

[quote Imnobody4]Keir Starmer has appointed a Shadow Minister for Women who ignores pleas for a meeting from GC women

twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1343864957549555713?s=19

While posting this on twitter.

twitter.com/charlotte2153/status/1343661240887996417?s=19[/quote]
Now that is much more worrying.

Most of this thread is nonsense, assuming that a Tory Minister really cares about women's rights because she claimed she did...whilst also claiming a lot of other things that are manifestly untrue.

But Charlotte Nichols refusing to meet GC women to discuss women's rights while defending Izzard is much more worrying.

Imnobody4 · 29/12/2020 14:28

Now she's having a go at Jackie Doyle-Price. Perhaps I should start another thread. twitter.com/JackieDP/status/1343910668244819969?s=19

Liz Truss writes in the Mail on Sunday
PotholeParadies · 29/12/2020 15:30

She's been told to put her pronouns in her bio

Hi Charlotte! Thank you for being such a great ally to the trans community - I for sure really appreciate it.
I was wondering if you could include your pronouns somewhere in your Twitter bio? Thank you :)

twitter.com/_Dylan_T/status/1343910889867665409?s=19

PearPickingPorky · 29/12/2020 15:53

The way Liz Truss dealt with Crispin Blunt was very impressive, I must say.

She must be made of pretty sturdy stuff.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/12/2020 18:11

She's been told to put her pronouns in her bio

Grin
ArabellaScott · 29/12/2020 21:38

[quote Imnobody4]Keir Starmer has appointed a Shadow Minister for Women who ignores pleas for a meeting from GC women

twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1343864957549555713?s=19

While posting this on twitter.

twitter.com/charlotte2153/status/1343661240887996417?s=19[/quote]
Ahhh, ffs.

Had a look at her speech record. The only thing I can see that seems related to 'Women's and Equalities' is a speech for International Men's Day.

members.parliament.uk/member/4799/contributions?page=1#expand-4062929

hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2020-11-19/debates/FF3FD025-D6F1-4872-84A1-09FBFDA4E4A0/details#contribution-6BCC495B-42F4-41D0-BECE-A71E874AE6D1

Okay, then, Labour.

xxyzz · 29/12/2020 21:51

Oh FFS.

She spoke on social care, on retail job losses etc, all areas where it would have been obvious to point out, in line with her brief, that women were being particularly affected.

But no. Nothing.

ArabellaScott · 29/12/2020 22:40

She couldn't make it clearer how little she cares about women.

That's a really, really puzzling appointment.

I'm about ready to vote Tory, no

ArabellaScott · 29/12/2020 22:41

pressed 'post' by mistake. I was going to write 'now', but I'll wait until I'm sure Liz Truss is really going to hold the WEC to account.

MoleSmokes · 30/12/2020 00:00

"Had a look at her speech record. The only thing I can see that seems related to 'Women's and Equalities' is a speech for International Men's Day."

Labour's Shadow Minister for Women Confused

For crying' out loud! Soddin' Clown World! 🤡

PotholeParadies · 30/12/2020 09:25

This is Ireland, not the UK, but it's an example of the worst-case scenario coming true as a consequence of mixed sex wards.

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/judge-criticises-hospital-after-girl-sexually-assaulted-by-man-63-on-ward-1.4170837

PotholeParadies · 30/12/2020 09:25

Sorry, completely wrong thread!

Sexnotgender · 30/12/2020 10:17

I think anyone hanging their hat on Starmer being a friend to women and playing the long game is going to be sorely disappointed.

Floisme · 30/12/2020 10:57

Nah I stopped feeling disappointed a while ago. Sore - yes possibly. But if I had to put words to the way I flip flop over Starmer and the Labour Party I would say it was more akin to stalking an ex on Facebook.

ListeningQuietly · 30/12/2020 12:12

Liz Truss is NOT a feminist.

Please read Brittannia Unchained to understand how she really thinks.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Unchained

TomatoesAreFruit · 30/12/2020 12:33

I hwve been going through Charlotte Nicholls twitter thread. She is quite a prolific tweeter and re tweeter and I got to 17 December before I got bored.

I could not see a single tweet that she wrote which mentions the word woman. How incredibly depressing.

ArabellaScott · 30/12/2020 13:18

She's just done one today mentioning misogyny, Tomatoes.

[waving] we see you, dear.

TomatoesAreFruit · 30/12/2020 13:25

That's quite amusing. Charlotte - now use the word 'woman' in a tweet, go on, I dare you!

HecatesCats · 30/12/2020 13:25

[quote ListeningQuietly]Liz Truss is NOT a feminist.

Please read Brittannia Unchained to understand how she really thinks.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Unchained[/quote]
I'd say she's more of a feminist than the shadow women & eq minister who doesn't appear to know what a woman is. She's being pretty shrewd because she can see there are women abandoned by the other political parties and she's reaching out. I am still waiting for Labour to come up with something, anything, rational on this issue, but in the meantime checking out the SDP. I say good for Liz Truss and I hope her interventions will push all parties towards a more fact based approach (although I fear the greens are a lost cause).

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