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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Liz Truss writes in the Mail on Sunday

107 replies

Lowhum · 27/12/2020 03:53

...and also mentions women’s rights again.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9089985/LIZ-TRUSS-Equality-not-just-woke-warriors-favoured-few.html

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queenofknives · 27/12/2020 15:35

I think you have basically nailed it @BabyItsAWildWorld. The Guardian and Labour Party may well be the last to realise it, though!

Lowhum · 27/12/2020 16:45

BabyItsAWildWorld I know a Momentum fanatic follower, who posted on Twitter a while back that all business owners are middle class because they are privileged to work for themselves Hmm

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Thelnebriati · 27/12/2020 16:51

the Left has allowed insidious practices to threaten equality. For example, it has failed to defend the single-sex spaces that were won by the hard work of women over generations.

WTF. ''The Left'' aren't making women's psychiatric units, hospital wards or prisons mixed sex, are they?

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 27/12/2020 16:54

How the hell did we get to a point where a Tory Government stuffed with Old Etonians is more in touch with the majority of people than the Labour Party??

This. I can't offer any answer, just hold my hands out in silent bewilderment.

Mominatrix · 27/12/2020 16:59

@BabyItsAWildWorld, I think you are on the right track. Much like the support for the Republicans in the US, the Labour Party, as did the Democrats, are alienating the working class of the 21st century.

The Dems were shocked by their losses/lack of traction in Congress and the increase in support for the Republicans by Latinos, Blacks, Gay, and other minorities - as if they somehow are entitled to their vote, and not realising that their wholesale adoption of identity politics would alienate the votes they think they own. Labour suffered this in the last GE and have not taken aboard the message and they won’t make inroads into the vote until they wake up.

theskyispink · 27/12/2020 17:15

Interesting article. She really seems to be on the ball compared to other politicians.

Don't know if I agree with this bit: Britain is more colour-blind and less sexist than ever.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 27/12/2020 17:22

I have never even considered voting Tory.

However, Baroness Nicholson is Tory. Jackie Doyle Price is Tory. And Liz Truss is Tory.

I want my rights to privacy and dignity. So, I am very surprised to find myself considering voting Tory.

TBH, if Liz manages to convince a bleeding-heart-liberal like me to vote blue then she deserves to be leader of the party - because, I'm not alone. Politically adrift women will vote for any party which understands why we refuse to have their daughters forced to change near penises.

Thing is, we are legion.

xxyzz · 27/12/2020 17:46

Hmm, Liz Truss is saying the right words about women's rights but the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

I'm slightly sceptical due to some of the other bobbins in the same article, eg free schools don't benefit working class kids and weren't intended to, Tory housing policies have ensured house prices are sky high, there is no affordable housing and council houses have all been sold off. School league tables did not improve standards but did ensure teachers in state schools focused on ensuring children there jumped through random useless hoops rather than getting a good, rounded education.

So an all-round hmm.

Truss is bright enough to know that the Tories can garner support through a culture war that opposes wokism, and Labour is very foolish to fall into that trap. The LibDems are beyond hope as far as that is concerned.

Still not convinced that Truss cares about women's rights, just wants women's votes by making us think she does.

queenofknives · 27/12/2020 17:49

So, I am very surprised to find myself considering voting Tory.

Same here. I will vote tory if they are the party to defend women's rights and freedoms. Never ever in a million years thought I'd even consider it but here we are!

BettyFilous · 27/12/2020 17:57

The Labour party now represent a professional middle class elite, with thier own woke doctrine, and the working class know it, and told it where to go in the last election.

And a narrowing sliver of that demographic, at that. They’ve already turned their back on women and let their Jewish voters and constituents down.

allalongthewatchtoweragain · 27/12/2020 18:09

I think the Tories are nailing this.

See also Kimi Badenoch resisting critical race theory and a cabinet full of successful BAME politicians.

RedDogsBeg · 27/12/2020 18:45

I'm not going to get the bunting out, I'm remaining watchful and very cautiously optimistic.

Reasons being the political Civil Service and many Government Departments have been so captured by this ideology and if Liz Truss is shuffled out we are back to Ground Zero.

My trust and faith in politicians, political parties, the Civil Service, Unions, Government Departments and institutions is at a record low.

nosswith · 27/12/2020 19:37

@AnyOldPrion no chance of Liz Truss ever being PM because of the double standards applied to women and men's private lives.

IfNotNow12 · 27/12/2020 21:24

@Lowhum

BabyItsAWildWorld I know a Momentum fanatic follower, who posted on Twitter a while back that all business owners are middle class because they are privileged to work for themselves Hmm
Well that's what I always understood-if you own the means of production you are the boss class, if you have to work for someone else you are working class? And not all working class people have a white van and out earn teachers!
LukewarmCustard · 27/12/2020 21:25

I think Liz Truss has nailed it with this approach to inequality. I don’t think they will follow through on making genuine change, but attacking wokeness is a popular move. Labour has no one to blame but themselves if the Tories successfully claim this space.

IfNotNow12 · 27/12/2020 21:33

No, I think Liz Truss does care about women. She has got herself to a very prominent position in politics, and she must realise how tough that is for most women.
To me there are two kinds of tories. There are the Cameron/Johnson pig-fucker Eton twats who genuinely think working people are pointless scum. The there are the kind who I think of as optimistic conservatives. They despair of the culture of people sat waiting for the state to spoon feed them, and believe in pushing people to help themselves, un hindered by background, race or sex. I think these type do mean well, and are of the "teach a man to fish" school of thought, and part of me respects that when compared to Labour's paternalistic, patronising low expectations of the working class. However, I am deeply pragmatic, and I know that a lot of the population just can't fish, for a lot of reasons, so we need the safety nets, we need healthcare free at the point of delivery, and we need some protection against rapacious big business. I no longer believe ion Labour=good and Tory=bad. There is good and bad on both sides.

Needmoresleep · 27/12/2020 21:57

Also interesting is that for the first time Liz Truss heads the Conservative Home survey for the most popular Cabinet member amongst Tory members. Beating Rishi!

www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/truss-tops-our-cabinet-league-table-for-the-first-time.html

Interesting in part because she is not a member of the Boris boys club, and therefore subject to repeated rumours that she would be sacked.

My guess is that quite a lot of her votes came from women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/12/2020 22:59

Siân 'Please never join thanks!' Berry

Sian "I deleted all my retweets of Aimee Challenor when the shit hit the fan" Berry

notyourhandmaid · 27/12/2020 23:56

There are some quite wrong things in there (league tables, Thatcher) but a lot of good, too.

AnyOldPrion · 28/12/2020 05:18

no chance of Liz Truss ever being PM because of the double standards applied to women and men's private lives.

Depressing, but probably correct.

GCAcademic · 28/12/2020 05:55

@Thelnebriati

the Left has allowed insidious practices to threaten equality. For example, it has failed to defend the single-sex spaces that were won by the hard work of women over generations.

WTF. ''The Left'' aren't making women's psychiatric units, hospital wards or prisons mixed sex, are they?

Yes, agreed. The Left absolutely would do these things, with bells on, were they in power, but they have happened under the Tories’ watch. Let’s hope Truss is serious about protecting single-sex spaces and puts her money where her mouth is.
MoleSmokes · 28/12/2020 07:27

The Left absolutely DID DO these things. Single gender NHS wards, falsely publicised as “single sex”, with Self-ID were authorised by the Dept of Health in 2009, under Sec of State Andy Burnham, PM Gordon Brown, Labour Government.

This Mumsnet thread title states 2010 but that relates, I think, to later confirmation under Tory Sec of State Andrew Lansley:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396859-Weve-been-lied-to-about-Single-SEX-wards-since-2010

Dept of Health Directive to the NHS, May 2009, “Eliminating Mixed Sex Accommodation”

(An outright lie. The directive enshrines choice of accommodation based on self-declaration of gender rather than biological sex.)

webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20130104221201/http:/www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh/groups/dh_digitalassets/documents/digitalasset/dh_098893.pdf

I recollect that NHS Medical Records were recording Gender as the basis of assignment to wards by 2007 but I have not been able to find any archived records of authority for this.

What I do still have is a copy of the Out Patient Record that I was instructed to amend to add “Gender” to in 2007, in order that patients could be assigned to the correct accommodation for their Gender rather than their Sex. Gender was to be determined by asking patients, “Have you changed sex since you were last seen?” Confusing, no?

I refused to ask this question, on the grounds that my patients would think I had lost my mind and that they would anyway be asked this question if they were to be admitted as an In Patient. This was a Mental Health Trust so the policy by 2007 was to ensure that any man who decided to self-ID as female would be admitted to a “Single Sex” Women’s Psychiatric Ward.

The Dept of Health directive of 2009 was designed to ensure that Mixed Sex Accommodation was NOT eliminated but that instead Self-ID would be the norm across the whole NHS.

FannyCann · 28/12/2020 07:51

That's very interesting MoleSmokes

One wonders who was behind this change of policy back in 2007. (I don't mean the political party but wider civil servants and NHS bigwigs.) There must have been a huge push to surreptitiously change policy after the adoption of the GRA in 2004.
I for one was asleep!

beargrass · 28/12/2020 08:07

That is really interesting @MoleSmokes. Can you upload a photo of the 2007 document?

gardenbird48 · 28/12/2020 09:33

The Dept of Health directive of 2009 was designed to ensure that Mixed Sex Accommodation was NOT eliminated but that instead Self-ID would be the norm across the whole NHS

And if our local NHS trust is anything to go by, all ‘breaches’ of single sex accommodation are recorded as a serious event EXCEPT when that breach is caused by a transgender person (even the part-timers) self identifying onto the opposite sex ward (I would be interested to know how many transmen demand to be put on a male ward - obviously we’ve got no way of finding out).

So, yet again, no data gathered = no problems with this policy Hmm

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