Ben Hunte BBC article about puberty blocker ban

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Not biased at all maybe they’re trying to appease the people upset by big meanie Amol Rajan....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55369784

So positrans, you didn’t have blockers, but as you’ve pointed out on other threads, you pass completely and nobody knows you’re trans unless you tell them. So no blockers for you, but it all worked out great in the end. However children now must absolutely be given puberty blockers because otherwise they won’t ever pass, can never be happy and likely won’t make adulthood due to the huge risk of suicide.

Something’s not quite right here...

@yourhairiswinterfire

The Tavistock were told by three judges that they weren't acting properly. They were told children can't consent to experimental treatment. And they want to appeal that? I think the best thing would be for them to have a good fucking look at themselves and consider this whole mess they've caused, and maybe stop letting gobshite activists dictate how children should be treated.

They didn't even understand Gillick properly. Their answer to this ''treatment'' destroying sexual function was ''meh, the kids might be asexual anyway.'' There you go. It's justified sterilising CHILDREN, how many with autisim we don't fully know because no one wants to be honest, because there's a tiny chance they may have turned out to be asexual anyway

Pretty grim people are smugly defending that. I'd be fucking mortified to show my face in court again if I were them, after their last pathetic, flimsy performance where they couldn't answer a single question decently. Children deserve better than that shower of shit.

Nail hit on head. Excellent post.

My daughter’s friend group doesn’t have a single ‘straight heteronormative’ girl in it.

Same here OP. I don’t think that positrans actually grasps that many of the people posting have this replicated experience. There is a huge amount of teenaged females identifying as trans that are at the very least binding and waiting to get referred. I am quite confident that they only broadly share the same experience as this poster. But it will not be acknowledged.

I don’t think that positrans actually grasps that many of the people posting have this replicated experience

Yes. The other thing is many of us are old enough to have seen wave after wave of damaging, self-destructive behaviour in teen girls as an understandable primal scream on hitting puberty in a patriarchy in which a substantial proportion of men are violent abusers and sexual predators.

In my own teens it was eating disorders. A decade or two later as a young academic, what I saw instead among my female students was cutting and self harm. Now it's identifying as trans, lopping your breasts off, destroying your skeleton with blockers and destroying your reproductive system with testosterone.

To anyone who ever was a teenage girl herself, and has then watched younger women go through the same struggles and reach for similarly dysfunctional coping mechanisms, it's blindingly obvious what's going on when half a dozen or a dozen girls in the same year group suddenly announce they're trans.

I've submitted a complaint to the BBC about the suicide stuff but ran out of room to include the ridiculous bias of the article.

www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/impartiality/guidelines

If anyone fancies doing one the BBC guidelines are above. My outline was:

Violates BBC guidelines 4.3.6

Gender GP and Adrian Harrop are not experts in Gender Dysphoria. Their quotes are not balanced by factual information, for example: the latest research from the Tavi which shows that there is no evidence PBs improve MH:

We identified no changes in psychological function, quality of life or degree of gender dysphoria.

.....or any mention of the loss of height and bone density caused by PBs:

pubertal suppression reduced growth that was dependent on puberty hormones, i.e. height and BMD. Height growth continued for those not yet at final height, but more slowly than for their peers so height z-score fell. Similarly for bone strength, BMD and BMC increased in the lumbar spine indicating greater bone strength, but more slowly than in peers so BMD z-score fell.

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.01.20241653v1.full-text

Violates BBC guidelines 4.3.12

By not mentioning the GMC rulings against Gender GP. I hadn't scared up the links for this bit when I realised I was going to be way over.

Yes. It’s v. annoying when TRAs pop up saying ‘I bet you’ve never even met a trans person’ when there are 30 teenagers, mostly female, in a single year group in your kid’s school.

If anyone is complaining about BH encouraging suicide ideation then they only respond to specific guideline violations. I pulled mine from section 3 (accuracy) and 9.3.2.

Actual stats on youth suicide are here:

www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/ACA727371498065C7B8ABB80054E13BE/S2056472420000332a.pdf/children_and_young_people_who_die_by_suicide_childhoodrelated_antecedents_gender_differences_and_service_contact.pdf

5 out of 146 suicides in 2014 to 2016 were trans. I can find no evidence any of them were distressed by lack of PBs.

The Samaritans guidelines on suicide reporting are helpful. The one on young people talks about encouraging suicide contagion and the main one has lots of Don'ts that BH does.

Apologies if I'm repeating other's points, it's a long thread.

Yes. The other thing is many of us are old enough to have seen wave after wave of damaging, self-destructive behaviour in teen girls

Agreed. Mine was early teens, gender disphoria followed by an eating disorder. All that I kept to myself.

Then there were other members of my family cutting.

Now it is my teen's friends who certainly prove the 'cluster' effect (60-70% identifying as trans in a group). And it is again, being replicated in my friends teen's groups.

How this is being portrayed as 'normal' numbers and the effects 'hand waved' based on some TV specials and anecdotal conversations is quite shocking! Luckily, because of the amazing women on this board, people are reading these posts and see exactly the disconnect of what is actually happening in families and schools around the UK.

And no. There is still no research that positrans can present that adequately describes what parents of teenagers can actually see happening and that adequately proves that affirming medical treatment improves these young females lives. The rhetoric is always from a male perspective and always reverts to 'trauma' and suicide.

@Let2020beoversoon

Regardless of your views on affirmation and puberty blockers, it’s just not ok to tell teenagers “you must feel suicidal”.

This 👆👆👆

@PlantMam

Yes. It’s v. annoying when TRAs pop up saying ‘I bet you’ve never even met a trans person’ when there are 30 teenagers, mostly female, in a single year group in your kid’s school.

I hear you.

The thing is, they cannot acknowledge they know very little about this current cohort. Ever. It always reverts to projection of their own experience, fair enough. That is to be expected. But at least be mature enough to acknowledge the differences.

@SophocIestheFox

So positrans, you didn’t have blockers, but as you’ve pointed out on other threads, you pass completely and nobody knows you’re trans unless you tell them. So no blockers for you, but it all worked out great in the end. However children now must absolutely be given puberty blockers because otherwise they won’t ever pass, can never be happy and likely won’t make adulthood due to the huge risk of suicide.

Something’s not quite right here...

an interesting question - is that right Posit? Maybe there are some children like you who don't need medication?

That would surely be a huge plus as happily you seem content in your life.

Why do those who want trans people accepted without exception place so much value on passing? When, as we are often told, there’s so many women out there mistaken for men on a regular basis?

The transwomen I’ve seen don’t pass and never will, as most people round here can’t afford the surgery to alter them enough.

I mean I know Pos will say it eases the gender dysphoria (not that I’d be so transphobic as to suggest that’s a requirement of being trans) but there’s all these women NOT getting stuff to make them look more feminine. Shouldn’t we be moving to accept all women and transwomen however they look if we want a kinder society.

(Before anyone says anything, no I’m not suggesting this means women’s spaces should be made unisex, I’m on about the real phobic stuff, the violence the slurs etc)

@SophocIestheFox

So positrans, you didn’t have blockers, but as you’ve pointed out on other threads, you pass completely and nobody knows you’re trans unless you tell them. So no blockers for you, but it all worked out great in the end. However children now must absolutely be given puberty blockers because otherwise they won’t ever pass, can never be happy and likely won’t make adulthood due to the huge risk of suicide.

Something’s not quite right here...

Exactly. I guess we're all familiar with the line "you've been sharing toilets with transwomen for years now and never noticed.''

But at the same time young boys incapable of giving consent need puberty blockers to ''pass''. The whole thing is so contradictory, the script constantly changes to suit the argument of the day.

The whole thing is so contradictory, the script constantly changes to suit the argument of the day.

Totally! It's always trying to find theory to explain practice.

Even the Tavistock was doing this. The High Court judgement points out that they give different explanations for why children are given puberty blockers.

The practice (children medicated, men allowed into women's changing rooms...) is pushed, and then there's a scrabble to find retrospective explanations for why this is necessary.

The terms used for the theory of all this have changed endlessly just in the last decade. They have to change because they're just ways of trying to justify things which aren't ok.

BH can't write a balanced article.

Can he perhaps explain why there weren't large numbers of suicides amongst under 16s before puberty blockers were available? It's absolutely wrong and dangerous to promote self harm and suicide as a consequence of not getting PBs when there is no reliable data to back it up.

People's brains turn to mush on this issue, they really do.

Thanks for your post donquixote

@Doyoumind

BH can't write a balanced article.

Can he perhaps explain why there weren't large numbers of suicides amongst under 16s before puberty blockers were available? It's absolutely wrong and dangerous to promote self harm and suicide as a consequence of not getting PBs when there is no reliable data to back it up.

Yes.

And while he’s at it, could he also explain how puberty is life threatening to kids who believe themselves to be transgender, but plenty of adults have survived their natal puberty without any kind of intervention at all, sometimes not transitioning until their 50s/60s or even 70s?

And perhaps he could also define ‘iatrogenic’ while he’s there?

Don't be surprised at the actions of the BBC. The takeover is complete.
recruitingtimes.org/news/23597/bbc-amazed-after-secret-survey-reveals-that-417-of-its-staff-are-transgender/
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/982116/bbc-transgender-staff-survey-lesbian-gay-bisexual-lgbt-diversity-uk-news
Amazed should have been in quotes. It is all part of the plan to brainwash the British public. It is probably far worse now. All those who left the Grun after Suzanne Moore probably joined the BEEB

5 out of 146 suicides in 2014 to 2016 were trans. I can find no evidence any of them were distressed by lack of PBs.

Sorry, re reading I've just realised that's a mis-type I thought I corrected. It was 5 out of 595 suicides in those 3 years self identified as trans. Including up to 19 YOs.

Thanks for your post donquixote

Most welcome Hecatescat.

Late to this so will read through later but sharing this now.

TT are on it.

www.transgendertrend.com/bbc-open-letter-transgender-trend/

[quote OhHolyJesus]Late to this so will read through later but sharing this now.

TT are on it.

www.transgendertrend.com/bbc-open-letter-transgender-trend/[/quote]
Was about to post this. An excellent response from Transgender Trend.

That's a great response from TT

apparently they have responded to Baroness Nicholson's communication with them by saying that they are right and they are secure in their education output or something.

That's a great response. I really want to cancel my licence over this. I feel sick to my stomach that I'm paying for this propaganda to be pumped out