Ben Hunte BBC article about puberty blocker ban

[risefromyourgrave]

Not biased at all maybe they’re trying to appease the people upset by big meanie Amol Rajan....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55369784

From the BBC:

The update doesn't say she was struck off, it says she was suspended and is challenging the decision.
I don't see how they can justify promoting a suspended GP.

It still says;
''In a letter seen exclusively by the BBC, GenderGP - one of the only private healthcare providers for transgender people in the UK - .''

^Janice Turner says they've also quietly removed all references to suicide from the article too.

They need to get a real journalist to write up the truth about the issue - and the stats. Incredibly irresponsible ‘journalism’ from a ‘journalist’ 🤡

@yourhairiswinterfire

^Janice Turner says they've also quietly removed all references to suicide from the article too.

Sorry for quoting myself, it still mentions suicide from Harrop's statement and when referencing Gender GP's letter.

Ghouls. Absolute ghouls.

I agree with Old Crone. If I had a male body I wouldn't think I'm a woman trapped in a male body I would think that I was a man and my opinions and personality traits were those of a man and that men have a variety of personality traits.
The fact that so many males feel they have a feminine side just shows that this is fairly common in males and that macho masculinity is not universal against males. It doesn't mean they are really women.
When Philip Treacy the milliner was a boy and wanted to do dressmaking at school and realised he was attracted to males he didn't decide that meant he was really a girl. He decided that meant boys could be interested in dressmaking too and he successfully campaigned to let boys study dressmaking and cookery in his school. He also married a man.
Challenge the stereotypes rather than change your body.

OldCrone a look through this forum will show you’ve been asking the same question over and over for years and even when the answer isn’t about stereotypes you go on asking it regardless.
Not sure what the point is really.

Go on then, if you have something better to explain gender identity than stereotypes. All ears.

Ben isn't a journalist he is an ideologue. The BBC need to provide some stricter oversight of his output.

Ben isn't a journalist he is an ideologue

What I really, really do not understand is Ben, Adrian and others, seemingly happy young gay men are promoting the mutilation, and long term medicalisation, of adolescent girls.

Both trained as scientists, so should be aware of the need to establish fact, and bright enough to weigh up the available research (and lack of it). Neither has skin in the game. So why?

I really hope that it is not that both see career openings within a growing transgender "industry".

@Typesofcatalogue

If some people still hate their bodies as adults they can make the changes then. In males, as I'm sure you know, the surgery is much more straightforward if they have gone through puberty.

Yes so the question is at what point is it safest to intervene medically. How much do they have to go through before we say, ok this person is likely not going to change? Mid adolescence, late adolescence 16, 17,18, 20?

so, does this mean that you are NOT advocating PBs before 16?

That you do recognise that the current cohort of particularly teens identifying as trans is significantly different to your own experience in that they are teenaged girls?

I and everyone here will certainly agree that all children and teens need better evidence led care and intensive mental health care. And that every transition should be followed up as part of this.

Original para:

Doctors and parents have told the BBC the ruling could cause distressed trans teens to self-harm or even take their own lives.

Updated para:

Doctors and parents have told the BBC the ruling could put already vulnerable trans teens at risk.

What I really, really do not understand is Ben, Adrian and others, seemingly happy young gay men are promoting the mutilation, and long term medicalisation, of adolescent girls.

See also David Paisley.

It's fucking sick actually isn't it

Ben Hunte shouldn't be anywhere near the BBC, his stuff is so biased - in the past he has used the 'trans people are being denied the right to exist' line in one of his BBC articles. He would be far better off at Pink News.

They have completely buried the article now. You can't find it unless you have the link.

Such a shoddy thing to do

I thought this paragraph from James Kirkup was very succinct:

"Dr Harrop is a GP in Liverpool. He has a record of expressing strong opinions on transgender issues via social media. What he does not have is a history of publishing peer-reviewed medical research on mental health and self-harm among trans children. Nor has he worked as a clinician at a clinic such as GIDS. Yet the BBC deems his speculation about child suicide more worthy of reporting than the views of experts such as Polly Carmichael, head of the GIDS and a world-recognised authority in the care of trans children."

They have completely buried the article now. You can't find it unless you have the link.

Have they told Ben.

His Twitter still says:

"Exclusive: The NHS gender identity service has kicked off its appeal against the High Court ruling on puberty blockers.

I’ve heard from doctors, parents & young people who are “terrified” for the trans children struggling to access blockers…"

@heathspeedwell

I thought this paragraph from James Kirkup was very succinct:

"Dr Harrop is a GP in Liverpool. He has a record of expressing strong opinions on transgender issues via social media. What he does not have is a history of publishing peer-reviewed medical research on mental health and self-harm among trans children. Nor has he worked as a clinician at a clinic such as GIDS. Yet the BBC deems his speculation about child suicide more worthy of reporting than the views of experts such as Polly Carmichael, head of the GIDS and a world-recognised authority in the care of trans children."

Yes. Out of all the thousands of qualified doctors in the UK, including pediatricians and those who work in gender field, etc, they picked some random GP who is known for his social media presence.

[quote OhHolyJesus]Late to this so will read through later but sharing this now.

TT are on it.

www.transgendertrend.com/bbc-open-letter-transgender-trend/[/quote]
Great article and website, thanks.

The gay men campaigning for (mainly) adolescent girls to receive puberty blockers is really weird.

After a bit of tip-toeing around my gay neighbour, who at one point was very active in Stonewall and then latterly with the Terrance Higgins Trust, discovered that we had similar concerns about gender ideology.

He knew of three vu

Sorry, posted too early.

He knew of three vulnerable gay men who were somehow convinced that changing gender would solve their problems. He was certain that the underlying problems needed to be dealt with first.

I knew of two mothers whose children had announced they were trans, and who were beside themselves dealing with an "affirmation only" system. One girl was offered PBs after only four months (and may well be on the autistic spectrum.)

Different vulnerable groups, but the same concerns. Does Ben not care about vulnerable gay men who may be being pushed this ideology when in fact transition should be the last, not the first, response to what might be more general MH problems.

I read Datun's post before it was deleted. It was excellent, clear and to the point as always and not remotely offensive to anyone. Just in case anyone was wondering.

I’ve read datum - so I wasn’t wondering, just 🙄

Bother, I missed it :(

I missed it, too. Am imagining all those itchy wee reporting fingers just dying to get busy when Datun’s name appears...

"The letter of complaint by a group of doctors, in response to the unethical and inaccurate reporting by
@BBCNews
#BBC regarding Bell vs. Tavistock case."

twitter.com/lascapigliata8/status/1341533242168631301?s=20