Would you ok your son wearing a dress?

[KristinaJup]

Candace Owens recently tweeted (in response to Harry Styles wearing a dress on a magazine cover) "Bring Back Manly Men".. amongst other things.

Who really cares if a guy wears tutus and glittery dresses? Prince was hot af in his heels and Makeup.

Imo I would have no problem with it at all if my son wanted to put on a skirt but the tweet gained a lot of traction and I saw quite a few memes and lots of fingers pointed at feminism for "ruining men"

If we carry on this way the next thing will be....women should not be wearing trousers! What do you think?

@5zeds here in the UK most practising Muslims only wear theirs to go to Friday prayers at the mosque so I would say it is religious attire.

If they wanted to wear a dress I wouldn't stop them but I'd be really worried about bullying.

Luckily I live in a country that actively encourages this sort of thing:

Noone is saying this is currently mainstream but why shouldn't it be? Women fought to make women in trousers mainstream.

I don't have a problem with it, but I wouldn't let my boys wear a dress or skirt outside, no. Where we live they would be absolutely ripped to shreds, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to harm them, and we live in a decent area.

Sorry but Harry Styles looks fucking ridiculous in that picture, and Prince was not hot.

There are quite a lot of Muslims who don’t attend mosque and a fair few from the Middle East, and Indian subcontinent who aren’t Muslim. I think it’s probably more you see “robe” and think “Muslim” than there aren’t Christian, Hindu, etc who wear these things.

I'd be happy that he was confident enough to express himself in a way thats regarded as unusual... I think its interesting and shows character, creativity and strength. 8 thought Harry styles looked amazing on the coverbof vogue. And I love fashion myself why would I ever censure my son for being interested in fashion and making bold choices?

@TheSandman

Luckily I live in a country that actively encourages this sort of thing:

Yum!

Kilts and religious tunics aside. Yes, I believe in a distinction between men and women although acknowledging not everyone is gender conforming. I wouldn’t be easily accepting of a child of mine choosing to wear a dress. I wouldn’t make it easy, I’d expect a good lengthy debate but ultimately I love my children/ grandchildren and would potentially accept.

@TheSandman

Luckily I live in a country that actively encourages this sort of thing:

Yawn. How many times does it have to be said that a kilt is a cultural exception to the Western norm that men don't wear skirts. It's not even the case that it's common for all men in Scotland.

Personally I think those men look awful but each to their own. The kilts are ok but why they need to be bare chested escapes me.

Yes I'd be fine.
Candace Owens is tedious.

Harry Styles is an attention seeker. There's absoulutely nothing wrong with that but this idea he is at the forefront of breaking down gender norms in clothing is ridiculous. Styles is never going to be wearing his frocks and furbelows anywhere where he hasn't got a security presence and an entourage telling him how marvellous he is.

If it did become mainstream he'd drop it in an instant and start wearing nylon shell suits to be different.

Definitely no mainstream, for the few going against the grain. When makeup became accepted then where is the shock factor?
This Harry bloke isn't doing anything profound but he is bringing a new perspective to the masses and could do a lot of good in the long run.

Christians do not wear shalwar kameez lol. Yes I do see them as Muslims especially when they are Muslims on their way to mosque to pray to Allah.

My son is 7 and he wears what he wants... usually something bright pink, glitzy or rainbow and including dresses. We let him be who he wants and even though he's well aware of the discrimination he faces he's so strong and I'm so proud of him for standing up for what he wants. I hope he opens some minds along the way

@Awarethebear

Christians do not wear shalwar kameez lol. Yes I do see them as Muslims especially when they are Muslims on their way to mosque to pray to Allah.

I’m not a muslim, I regularly wear them. I have seen plenty christians wearing them.

@BlackWaveComing

Yes, as a fashion statement, or a statement of pushing back against sex stereotypes. Happy to 'allow', even to purchase. Definitely to defend.

Not if it appeared to be related to a fetish (thinking older teens here). In that case I would grey rock the entire thing, not banning, but also being disengaged and non-reactive towards the dress wearing. Starve the provocation of emotionality.

I'm personally not attracted to manly.men and prefer androgynous men, so perhaps this is why I have a limited attachment to masculine norms of dress.

And here is the FWR Radical Feminist Thought Police- wear what you want as long as they approve of your motives.

Absolutely not ok!!!!!!

Geese it’s no wonder kids are getting so confused about their identities 😕

@simonjt what's your religion? Where have you seen these Christians wearing them. 😂

No but how many were? It's just nonsense to pretend this is mainstream. And tbh plenty of male goths wore make-up- not so sure about dresses

I knew loads of goths in the 80s, none of the men wore dresses, it rarely got beyond black nail polish and smudged eye liner. I was very GNC, but never wore a dress in public and even so I got loads of shit for it up to and including violence, both physical and sexual. And no-one would ive you a job, even long hair on men was still a big deal in a lot of places. It's a complete fantasy that everyone was really gender non-conforming in the 80s. There were a couple of subcultures, like goth and glam rock, both very heterosexual incidentally, but they were very far from the mainstream and came with significant social cost.

And funnily enough I know quite a few trans women who were hiding in goth/glam/new romantic 80s subcultures but didn't feel safe enough to come out until the late 90s.

I’m not a muslim, I regularly wear them. I have seen plenty christians wearing them

How do you know they were Christians? I assume you made a judgement from skin colour? I'm a bit uncomfortable at white people of either sex wearing them- it's very close to cultural appropriation.

[quote Awarethebear]@simonjt what's your religion? Where have you seen these Christians wearing them. 😂[/quote]
I’m an athiest. Weirdly enough out and about, where you see other people.

@fallfallfall

Kilts and religious tunics aside. Yes, I believe in a distinction between men and women although acknowledging not everyone is gender conforming. I wouldn’t be easily accepting of a child of mine choosing to wear a dress. I wouldn’t make it easy, I’d expect a good lengthy debate but ultimately I love my children/ grandchildren and would potentially accept.

There is a distinction

Why do you need to have further distinction ?

@DidoLamenting

I’m not a muslim, I regularly wear them. I have seen plenty christians wearing them

How do you know they were Christians? I assume you made a judgement from skin colour? I'm a bit uncomfortable at white people of either sex wearing them- it's very close to cultural appropriation.

I know a few of them personally and I have attended christian events they have arranged, as a child I would also commonly see christians wearing them. Why would someones skin colour have an impact on what they wear?