West Yorkshire again

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West Yorkshire has 'country's highest number of recorded child marriages', report by Leeds honour abuse charity Karma Nirvana claimsMore than a third of alleged child marriages in the UK were reported to police in West Yorkshire, according to a local charity.

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/crime/west-yorkshire-has-countrys-highest-number-recorded-child-marriages-report-leeds-honour-abuse-charity-karma-nirvana-claims-3060390

It's about time the gov took action on banning marriage under 18. This has been called for since about 2012.

In working class deprived areas, which most of West Yorkshire generally is

No, it isn't.

Such as where flaxmeadow?
No idea where these working class deprived multicultural areas are in my part of Kirklees. I can think of a lot of places that tick 2 of those boxes but not 3. And while I would love to believe that this “working class multicultural frank discussion” goes on I really doubt it.
The more deprived areas here are most certainly NOT culturally diverse

Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Mirfield, Batley, Spen Valley. Conversations "go on" between working class people of all ethnic backgrounds in these places all the time. Just as they do in other working class parts of WY

If someone lives in a middle class rural area of Kirklees, for example Colne or Holme Valley, the sunny uplands of the Pennines, where farm houses are often sold for almost £1m, they might as well be living on another planet to Sheepridge or Saville town

It's like the difference between Holbeck or Beeston in Leeds and farm house in Otley. Manningham or Holme Wood in Bradford and a village near Skipton

Worlds apart

No, it isn't

Yes it is and always has been. West, and South, Yorkshire are post industrial working class counties, with some of the highest deprivation in the country. WY also has the highest serious crime rates in the UK

If you wanted to discuss North Yorkshire, I could see your point

True to my knowledge Flax
South Yorkshire has loads of very nice, lower middle class areas where people live oblivious to the abject poverty just a few miles away behind the green bits.
The odd SW who's clued up but has a keen eye on their job.

I live in Kirklees in one of the areas mentioned, it is most certainly multicultural and deprived. I can’t say I have ever had one of these frank conversations though, in fact most people very much skirt around the issues and those who don’t are out and out bigots.

I also wouldn’t class Mirfield as one of those areas, just down the road in Ravensthorpe is very deprived but there is a marked difference between there and Mirfield.

Well I am in Huddersfield, about 1.5 miles from the City centre and I can’t think of any ethnically mixed working class areas
How do you know about all these conversations The Queef?
Where do you live? (Roughly)
I agree with thesearms, Mirfield is quite posh (not Ravensthorpe though)

My point is more about class than ethnic background

An ethnic minority woman from a working class town/ area, will have more in common with a working class "English" heritage woman from the same town/area, than she will with an ethnic minority middle class professional woman from a posh area.

When I worked in the mills, I had more in common with my female Pakistani colleagues than with my female "English" heritage doctor, who lived 10 miles up the road in a half million £ converted barn. The same was true of my Pakistani working class colleagues, who would have little in common with a female Pakistani doctor or other professional, apart from language skills

Professional middle class women, of any ethnic background, do not have the same conversations as working class women, of any ethnic background. Why would they? They live worlds apart.

When I discuss neighbourhood issues and problems with my diverse heritage neighbours, the conversation isn't about a stolen push bike by the vialleg pub, or church bells waking us up on a Sunday morning or sheep straying into the path of our 4x4 car or what's the best private school in the county to send our children too.

I think you're just talking about things on different scales, geographically but culturally too. Working class is quite wide really and work places vary in how much private/frank conversation you can have.

My work can't even have a frank discussion about a Christmas night out (not a problem this year!). We went to an asian restaurant a couple of years back which I thought was fine as the asian lasses felt comfortable and the booze hounds went into town after but a couple of our staff were fuming because they think halal meat is worse for animals than cosy British slaughter (can you tell I'm vegetarian?).

Last Christmas no one wanted to organise it because no one wanted to have those conversations and the budget went unspent.

So yes, I'm not sure how well those frank conversations are going near me.

By the way, Mirfield has a deprived area, think it's called the London estate. I've seen stories in the Examiner about it. White poverty though so not as newsworthy.

It's surely going to change though? The British Pakistani women I work with don't do feminism like I do but they aren't a stereotype either. A lot of what they want for their lives is what I want. Maybe there are more segregated communities in Dewsbury and Batley? You certainly see more burquas there...or maybe I mean niquab.

TheQueef - yes that was a stand out episode for me. The next episode covers the grief he got, including using the fact he's gay to discredit him locally so I don't know if he would want to cover the grooming gangs. I think he'd do a good job.

I think he's done something about a transgender community in Pakistan and how it isn't happy with the western trans ideology that's being imported. Not sure if it's out yet. I saw it in passing on his twitter.

@endofthelinefinally

If you don't live in this community/area it is difficult to imagine what it is like. The level of education and integration in some communities has gone backwards at alarming speed in the last 3 generations. My personal view is that this has been encouraged because of a misguided effort by leaders in education, social services, nhs etc to be overly accepting/respectful of "culture" and losing sight of the misogyny and coercive control of women that is on the rise. The same approach is why there is still a shocking rate of FGM in the UK and virtually no prosecutions. Hoping this post won't get deleted...

I couldn't agree more

Well I am in Huddersfield, about 1.5 miles from the City centre and I can’t think of any ethnically mixed working class areas

The council housing around Sheepridge/Brackenhall?

Down the road in Bradford, there many mixed council estates. The inner city is also mixed

Even neighbourhoods that are not mixed are still very close to each other, side by side. Use the same services, supermarkets, go to the same schools/colleges, work in the same places.

...but I'd also say there are areas where there is segregation, especially of women by men and that's women of all backgrounds

A wider conversation needs to be had about this and other issues within the Pakistani communities but it's not going to happen because of allegations and accusations of racism. Everyone is failing these children.

I hope this post won't be deleted. Just for context, my mum was 13 years old when she was married in a different country and a different time. I can't believe child marriages are happening in this country and in this time.

Mirfield is quite posh

By West Yorkshire standards, but that's not saying much is it

It's a bit like saying Wilko is posher than Poundland

+Even neighbourhoods that are not mixed are still very close to each other, side by side. Use the same services, supermarkets, go to the same schools/colleges, work in the same places.*

Living in close proximity doesn’t mean people mix. You might say hello to your neighbours or pass the time of day with a work colleague but I most certainly have never been part of any frank conversation about the issues raised on this post.
There is huge segregation between areas, where many women don’t venture further than their own road, or don’t leave their home without their husband, where they don’t speak English so have no way of communicating easily, I worry for these women and girls, they are in a vulnerable position.

I live between sheff and Rotherham Hopping in an ex pit village.
I live very close to a place that's used for dogging, and chilling out in cars.
I grew up here, moved away and came back.

@Flaxmeadow As you asked for an outcome on this, Mumsnet have stated the reason for the deletion of the Kirklees thread last night "was due to several posts on the thread which contained negative generalisations." Four comments were quoted as evidence in their email to me. Obviously I can't share what those are but you can also email MN, if you want their full response.

The whole thread was deleted as it "was relatively short, there were just too many posts warranting deletion for us to allow it to continue."

This is why these issues will never be overcome. FGM, trafficking of underage girls, honour killings, forced marriage, all of this will continue because we have to walk on eggshells.

I do think that MN should have the courtesy to share the offending posts with the individual posters, not just other people who ask for information.

Grew up in East Lancashire and can say that it was the same then. Went to school from 1992-2000 then thankfully moved away to a big city for uni.

I can attest that it was as bad and as marginalised back then. Certain areas no way would a white woman visit alone. Was called a white bitch etc daily, all the girls were.

Why don't the government do more? Because it's poor, disaffected young women. Simple. Or fear of being seen as racist, anti immigration.

Everyone knows child marriage, FGM, older male sexual abuse goes on in these 'communities' but nothing is done for fear of being called racist.

A pp mentioned that they've gone back 3 generations : that's true too. More insular, with more traditional /archaic values. Such as marrying cousins, going back to Bangladesh to get wed.

Hoppinggreen

"Nowhere in Islam is abuse of children allowed any more than flying planes into buildings is."

Saudi Arabia is the centre of Islam, a place where boys and girls can marry at 10 years of age. In Iran it is currently 9 years for girls. Qatar is the same as Saudi Arabia.

Those are not properly run "Islamic" countries though.They are dictatorships run by misogynists.
And this is why threads get deleted. People start to generalise and then it's gets nasty. These issues aren't black or white. There are shades of grey.

In the following article, Maggie Oliver tells how they have helped around 2000 sexual abuse victims in just the past year. She also speaks about the way victims were treated by West Yorkshire Police.

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/they-raped-me-and-said-stop-speaking-to-police-grooming-gangs-continue-abuse-in-northern-england/ar-BB1bQYzf?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug

Saudi Arabia was created by the British btw. The house of Saud are abhorrent.

But who decides Flash? Who decides which Islamic country is doing it right?
Agree completely that HoS are abhorrent.
Today there are women in Rotherham buying their shopping from the man who repeatedly raped them as children and did so safe from prosecution because they were untouchable.
In this country today.
No one is saying that British Christians have any moral high ground, sure they caused their own trouble and the blame that lays on them for judging the victims as prostitutes or being accomplices.
We need to be able to talk about the rapers.