West Yorkshire again

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West Yorkshire has 'country's highest number of recorded child marriages', report by Leeds honour abuse charity Karma Nirvana claimsMore than a third of alleged child marriages in the UK were reported to police in West Yorkshire, according to a local charity.

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/crime/west-yorkshire-has-countrys-highest-number-recorded-child-marriages-report-leeds-honour-abuse-charity-karma-nirvana-claims-3060390

It's about time the gov took action on banning marriage under 18. This has been called for since about 2012.

TheQueef

One of the Defendents in a grooming case actually used that term to describe the girls they had abused.
The police, social services, politicians and community leaders have a lot to answer for in many of those cases.

Thank you for reminding me about Karma Nirvana, I was just wanting to make a donation to a good cause today.

It is heartbreaking that the multiple issues raised here aren't addressed openly by those in power.

There are Asian taxi drivers taking white girls to Holbeck every single day. I see it going on from my house. The entire street are sick of reporting it to WYP. Sick of the drivers leering at schoolgirls. They say that they’re just taking them to work as sex workers and there’s nothing they can do.

West Yorkshire is rancid. And the Labour Party keeps it so.

Just noticed this in the news:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-55258798

Thirty two men have been charged with sexual offences in connection with abuse involving eight girls.

Most of the men, largely from the Kirklees area, are charged with rape offences which were allegedly committed between 1999 to 2012.

Police said the girls were aged 13 to 16 at the time with some victims being abused when they were young adults.

The alleged offences took place in parts of Kirklees, Bradford and Wakefield.

I just saw this. Eveything is all interconnected. We really have to find a way to talk about these issues objectively. That means the Labour Party has got to grow up.

I laughed when the midwife asked if I was related to my partner as it just seemed so ridiculous a question that I wasn't expecting. She was very calm and professional about it and I realised it likely was because of different cultures having norms about marrying within the family.

I agree marriage should be banned under 18 as it's a big commitment and it's not needed. Before I imagine kids being forced to get married because the girl had gotten pregnant but that's not needed now.

The misogyny, contempt and desire to defile women in some communities is off the scale and needs urgent correction.
It's seeping in to the entire community and spreading.

I agree Flax I live in SY in an affected area and it's still not discussed

Yes true

Flaxmeadow we’re not all middle class and not all cases of cousins marrying are forced. Being attracted to a cousin may seem weird to those with 2 or 3 cousins. It’s different when you have 40 or more first cousins. I fancied one of my older cousins right through my teens

I know some situations are forced or coerced but it’s too sweeping to say all and won’t help get the message about the risk of genetic disability across.

It is my understanding (from family/friends working in schools/local government) that it is a combination of girls being taken out of the UK to visit family, then forcibly married to a "cousin", or girls being coerced into marrying within the social/family circle already living locally. There is indeed a huge element of tolerating cultural differences.

I hear that - someone I used to work with in Leeds suddenly left as she went to marry her cousin she hadn't really met properly before, she was expected to though.
Seemed really weird at the time when you're young yourself but now understand it's down to cultural differences.
Not that that really makes it right though in my opinion, should be able to have a say yourself.

West Yorkshire is rancid

Bit of a sweeping generalisation.
It's a big and diverse area.

CousinKrispy
Ffs- that is horrific. Goverment needs to grow a backbone and get this trampled out.

Kirklees thread gone I see.

It's fucking horrific and yet more evidence, if such was needed, of abhorrent misogyny.

There needs to be a better word than "child marriage" as that phrase is about as accurate as "child prostitution". A child cannot voluntarily be married. A child is being forced into adulthood. A child is being raped. It makes my blood boil.

@TheQueef

Kirklees thread gone I see.

Ironic isn't it.

Kirklees is also where they have FGM cases in which the girls suffered female genital mutilation right here in this country.

EndOTL I wish I were surprised.
I'm passed being worried about the racists label but I secretly hoped mnet would see through it and realise how much abuse is being hidden.

It's really sad and imo insulting to the victims.

I hope it wasn't my fault. I mentioned a well respected person who knew a lot about safeguarding.

Doubt it. Some people are more offended by women trying to discuss how these men are using it to justify their crimes to themselves and their community than the actual offences committed against these girls.
Using religion and cultural norms, bastardising them to permit rape and abuse with impunity is much less bad than women discussing it.

Kirklees thread is gone? This is what feeds racism. What is happening should and does disgust every decent human being regardless of their religion or race.

My brother's wife came over to the UK from Pakistan when she was 13 and married here (to her first husband, not my brother). While in the UK, she had three children before she was 16. Her age was amended on her passport so was shown as 18 when she came to the UK. It makes me sad to think that she was living in this country but wasn't being protected or helped by anyone. Not that it's necessarily the fault of the authorities either given the false age.

Meant to add she also lives in West Yorkshire.

Yes. On the other thread I mentioned that the youngest patient I delivered was 13. Social services knew, but,
"it's cultural".

When I lived in Sheff..
Over the years the local authority 'project's of creating enclaves in the city have created the environment where a woman can arrive from Pakistan,, marry, have children, grow the kids and go on to have grandchildren without ever even speaking English.
I don't care if that sounds racist it means that for 30+ years this woman has only the community and men to receive information from or to ask help from.
I know at least five women personally.
How would the women be expected to ask for help or question anything when effectively she lives in the exact same conditions and society?
There is no integration.

Kirklees thread was removed due to ‘generalisations’.

Had it not been for someone joining dots and suggesting the grooming incidents had something in common - generalising - the convictions would never have been achieved.

It feels like a repeat of the ‘fear of racism shutting down criticism’ situation that led to the situation in the first place. Definite irony.

And yeah, closing off discussion like this does feed actual racism. It means the only people talking about it are the Tommy Robinsons, not reasonable, intelligent people with pattern recognition skills as well as common sense and nuance.