Keira

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Live tweets from Belstaffie here:

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Mrs A -

Thanks, nauticant

The replies on Twitter all seem to have the phrase "blockers are generally reversible".
It feels very coordinated.
And the GENERALLY is carrying a lot of weight.

@BeUpStanding

Does anyone have a link to the full judgement, not just the summary? Sorry if I've missed it, thread is moving too fast!

Here you go:

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Bell-v-Tavistock-Judgment.pdf

Must be a bittersweet victory for Keira today.

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Not sure why the text is so maddeningly grey (nor why GIDS seemingly has a completely different graphic designer to the rest of the NHS), but there it is for posterity.

Absolutely brilliant news. I've been scrolling through various websites / TV / streaming channels at reaction (as well as here, obviously), and all I can say is a massive thank you to those who captured and archived initial responses. Weasel words and reversing ferrets will be called out.

@BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero

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Not sure why the text is so maddeningly grey (nor why GIDS seemingly has a completely different graphic designer to the rest of the NHS), but there it is for posterity.

It's interesting that they say the judgement applies to the treatment not the provider, so GenderGP et Al won't be able to step in?

The Tavi’ has not come out (!) well in this, indeed a couple of the Tavi’ Trust’s Governors resigned in protest about this issue. NHS Trust Governor resignations & public comment are a rare occurrence.

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So what does this mean for schools and their mixes sex loos?

Still filled with joy at the implications of this judgement and not just in terms of the tightened safeguarding rules.

Five of the 8 gender dysphoria 'symptoms' are simply normal behaviour for any gender non-conforming kid (which is all of them if society would just stop with the stereotyping). You only need to tick 6 to get a diagnosis.

When you see them written down like this, the lunacy becomes even more evident. The ideology is unravelling...

Have to laugh at the desperation.

The Tavistock lost. They are shambolic.

It was established that the 'experts' are nothing of the sort.

Keira Bell has been awarded costs, she has won her case.

Mermaids are sulking and Tavi wanted to appeal-not the actions of 'winners'.

Trans healthcare, especially when dealing with children, should include therapy, which is nothing like conversion therapy.

JK Rowling was also correct.

Bitter pill to swallow, I know, but wake the fuck up!

@picklemewalnuts

Thank you *@BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero* !

She's in the care of local authotity so presumably onlu has access to nhs.

From today’s post on GIDS’ own website:

I am on puberty blockers and have been discussing accessing gender-affirming hormones with my clinicians – will those still be available to me?
If you are currently being seen by our endocrinology services (UCLH or Leeds) they will be in touch with you in the coming days to let you know what will happen to your care. We will also update the information on our website as soon as we know more. If you are over 18, this judgment will not apply to you.

Archived link: archive.md/zqCG0

Hoping the child you know is properly supported through any upcoming changes to the treatment pathway

Pink News as always with the fake take

Thank you Keira, thank you Mrs A!

Just hope this also sees the demise of Mermaids infiltrating schools. Children should never have been 'taught' they were born in the wrong bodies in the first place.

As the parent of two autistic children I'm dumbfounded by the negligence of Tavistock in failing to record which patients are autistic. To me this is criminal because it means that the advice they received prior to treatment wasn't tailored to meet their specific needs.

[Flowers] to all of the children and parents who are affected by this decision. It is going to be difficult for those who have been told that puberty blockers is a miracle cure to come to terms with this.

Mermaids doubling down again. So I presume they are now openly stating that children without competence and full understanding should be allowed to make life-changing decisions.

You’d have thought they would have welcomed increased safeguarding.

They’ve always insisted the children they work with are fully informed and have the capacity so I can’t understand why they’d be disappointed by this ruling.

Woah. This is the advice from GIDS on where parents should go for support:

My child has become distressed as a result of the judgment. Where can I access support?

We recommend you stay away from social media on this issue which may contain inaccurate information. Should you or a young person need urgent medical attention, we strongly suggest that you get in touch with local Child and Adolescent Mental Health or emergency services, who will be best placed to respond.

Otherwise, we recommend discussing any concerns your child has at their next scheduled GIDS appointment.

This is about the parent accessing support so they may support their child. Fine to mention to be cautious of misinformation online (goodness knows there's a lot of it on this subject. Mostly from supporters of giving kids blockers) but to actually tell the parents not to talk to other people about this, and only to talk to GIDS is a bit... well.. cult-like, don't you think?

From this page: gids.nhs.uk/information-following-judicial-review-judgment-december-2020

It's interesting that they say the judgement applies to the treatment not the provider, so GenderGP et Al won't be able to step in?

Yes, and presumably it also prohibits taking your child abroad for treatment without permission of the court?

So what does this mean for schools and their mixes sex loos?

I dont know really. I mean the DofE guidence still doesn't appear to have been followed in some cases. Several counties dropped the toolkits vgeire it made it to JR. So there wasn't really anything to say they were illegal akd left up to individuals to fight.

But it seems a particularly cruel thing to do now, to egg them all on at school when uts now officially ruled theres "no where to go" with it.

My dds school still displays mermaids on its website despite the information they have been presented with ( with evidence)

I'm really not surprised by TRAs reading what they want to read and ignoring the other stuff. We see it happen here all the time.

Another one on the verge of tears on reading the judgement, Datun's post on Stephanie Davies-Arai, 'surprising=WTAF', frequent mentions of sex and experimental treatments, and floisme's reminder that all this is, above all, sunlight. What a hopeful day.

Male barrister friend I ranted about this to over 6 years ago has just texted me "I did suspect you were right about all this but now fully convinced" :)

I have no legal knowledge at all, but wanted to discuss a small point not yet (I don't think) addressed in this thread. The court weighed the claim: 'Secondly, if, in principle, they can do so [consent], whether the information provided by the defendant and the Trusts is
adequate for achieving informed consent." The judgement found that the amount and accuracy of information is of no account if the child is too young to understand it. Great. To me that sounds as if the judgement went further than the claimants had dared hope?
But I can't see whether they ruled that GIDS had given MISLEADING information - can anyone?
And does anyone know whether this opens the door to other similarly mis-treated (in both senses) individuals suing the Tavistock?

So this faux plea for preserving the rights of young women to seek abortions , (made incidentally by someone who can’t even refer to herself as a woman) is a red herring. What a shame Mermaids and the Tavistock havent been so virtuously concerned with the well-being of young women, and young men, before

Indeed, this decision seems to hinge on the complexity of the relevant information. I haven't read any case law on what specific information women should be able to retain/weigh/understand for termination but I imagine it's a lot less.

@MedusasBadHairDay

Must be a bittersweet victory for Keira today.

Very, I’ve been feeling sad for her today and very grateful for her having the strength to do this for others

Not being funny but CAMHS is not going to cope with the influx from the gender clinic.

As for suggesting the emergency services, genuinely shocking. They ought to have their own helpline set up .Surely they can't be so indoctrinated to the affirmation model that they can't support the children in their care at this time?