WPUK have released a financial statement showing money received by source and how it is spent

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womansplaceuk.org/2020/11/28/wpuk-financial-statement-2020/

Perhaps we can quit with the 'dark money' narrative now.

I was a little surprised to see a grant from Lush Charity Pot in there. Perhaps as a company they aren't a total write off after all.

jj the Labour Party is also an unincorporated associated. Do you think they are a right wing cabal as well? Do you think they are unable to take or be subject to legal action too?

@VulvaPerson

TRAs have a list of people to target now, is my immediate thought.

I understand why they did this though. But I also think part of the reason TRAs bleat on about dark money is specifically to get funding sources revealed so they can mass spam them for daring to care about womens rights..

This.

It just means the groundless accusations of being funding by the far-right have turned into accusations of tax evasion.

On an unrelated note, reading this thread makes me feel so embarrassed that I used to be a TRA.

[quote BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero]Mermaids is 25 years old.

WPUK is 3 years old.

Mermaids became a charitable incorporated organisation in 2015, 20 years after it was founded.

Perhaps JJ has some allegations to make about those first 20 years of Mermiads, if the aim is to drag WPUK into disrepute by comparing it the two?

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Mermaids have been a registered charity since 1999. In 2015 they re-registered as a Charitable Incorporated Organisation meaning they were only regulated by the Charity Commission not the commission and companies house. This is quite common when small charities begin trading.

You seem to miss the point entirely, JJ, so I will spell it out for you.

We don’t know what Mermaids early days turnover was because it wasn’t published prior to 2015, when they became a CIO.

Whereas WPUK have published their figures, even though they aren’t obliged to.

It was you who bought Mermaids up to make a comparison, JJ, not me.

If you can point us towards the evidence of Mermaids turnover prior to 2015, please feel free to share. I’m sure everyone here would love to learn more about the organisation prior to Green becoming CEO in 2016.

Your claim that Mermaids had a similar turnover to WPUK before Glinner raised Mermaids profile is false, by the way. Mermaids had an income of over 300 grand in the tax year ending in Mar 2018, whereas the National lottery/HBomberguy hoo-ha didn’t happen until December 2018/January 2019.

Seriously has it taken you all day to come up with this? You really could have out a bit more effort in

I might buy some Lush bath bombs as stocking fillers purely because David Paisley hates them now

@BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero

You seem to miss the point entirely, JJ, so I will spell it out for you.

We don’t know what Mermaids early days turnover was because it wasn’t published prior to 2015, when they became a CIO.

Whereas WPUK have published their figures, even though they aren’t obliged to.

It was you who bought Mermaids up to make a comparison, JJ, not me.

If you can point us towards the evidence of Mermaids turnover prior to 2015, please feel free to share. I’m sure everyone here would love to learn more about the organisation prior to Green becoming CEO in 2016.

Your claim that Mermaids had a similar turnover to WPUK before Glinner raised Mermaids profile is false, by the way. Mermaids had an income of over 300 grand in the tax year ending in Mar 2018, whereas the National lottery/HBomberguy hoo-ha didn’t happen until December 2018/January 2019.

It looks like the charity commission deleted the archived returns when Mermaids became a CIO. There's still details of them on the commission website though; register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/3943107

In 2016 Mermaids total income was about £80k, it much much less in the years preceding that. I don't even think they had any paid staff.

The rules around financial reporting for charities has become much more onerous in recent years. One social enterprise I helped setup looked into it and the cost to get the accounts prepared and audited appropriately for charitable status would have wiped out our income so we didn’t go ahead as it wasn’t a good use of member contributions. We’ll revisit it if we grow sufficiently.

Many older Charities were able to set up as charities at an earlier stage in their development not WPUK when requirements were less costly.

In 2016 Mermaids total income was about £80k, it much much less in the years preceding that. I don't even think they had any paid staff.

2016 was Mermaids 21st year.
And the time period you specifically referenced was end of 2018, by which time they were up to over 300k and had a very public CEO.

Grasping at straws of misinformation, rearranging goalposts as though they were a vase of flowers.

Hilarious.

Show us the Mermaids receipts from 1995-2016? Or are you just gonna keep on pulling ‘facts’ from your own arse?

Show us the Mermaids receipts from 1995-2016? Or are you just gonna keep on pulling ‘facts’ from your own arse?

Well thats not possible it it because the Charity Commission have removed the records. There is this, I think the figure would refer to their last accounting period prior to becoming a CIO, so 2014/15.

Quite.
So why on earth did you invite us to make the comparison between the 3 year old WPUK (whose figures we can all see) and the 25 year old Mermaids, (whose figures for the first 20 years We cannot see)?

You make no sense, JJ.

@BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero

Quite. So why on earth did you invite us to make the comparison between the 3 year old WPUK (whose figures we can all see) and the 25 year old Mermaids, (whose figures for the first 20 years We cannot see)?

You make no sense, JJ.

Because there were figures. Mermaids have been a registered charity since 1999 and as such would have been required to make annual reports to the Charity Commission. They were regulated, not just an unincorporated association whose idea of due dilliegnce is sticking up some list of outgoing/incomings on their website and calling that their accounts. WPUK are not registered with anyone, either the Charity Commission or Companies House. They are presumably governed by a constitution nobody has ever seen. All that money being donated could end up in someone's back pocket quite legally depending on what that constitution says (if it even exists). If their legal threats have been about personal litigation then that's exactly what's happened. If they haven't then they had no grounds to issue such threats because as an unincorporated association they have no power to sue for defamation.

And as I said I don't really care. A lot of lefty organisations that come out of the Trot mileu behave like this because it gives those running it absolute power and they don't want to be burdened by things like accountability and regulations. In fact it's central to a lot of their ideology as political vanguardists leading the working class (or women in this case) to revolution.

I just think it's interesting to speculate on what the reaction would be if groups like GIRES and Mermaids behaved the same way.

God now we're all loony left groups. As my gran used to say "ma heid' s birling" with all these changes of direction.

Totally randomly but I've been on MN well over a decade and way back in the day there was a poster called something like jjbaby who was trolling what were then called the 'pram huns' on MN and was collecting baby items for what they later admitted were for their teddies to use.

Nowt so weird as Jjs.

@334bu

God now we're all loony left groups. As my gran used to say "ma heid' s birling" with all these changes of direction.

Of course WPUK are a lefty group, they've never made any secret about that. All the founders have a background in far left/socialist politics.

A lefty group funded by the far right.
Well I never.

Do you realise how ridiculous you are?
I would say you couldnt make it up, but clearly, you can.

OMG, they are far left now!

Do you have zero self respect? Please find some. I can't imagine making myself look so utterly stupid, even under the cloak of anonymity.

@MoonPomme

A lefty group funded by the far right. Well I never.

I have never in my life claimed WPUK were funded by the far right.

😂😂😂😂😂

Gendered Intelligence only registered with the Charity Commission last year, and I presume prior to that they too were an unincorporated association like WPUK.
Where are the baseless accusations levelled at them? Where is the demand to see their accounts?
You could argue they do actually trade as no doubt they will charge companies for their training courses.

@Deltoids1

Gendered Intelligence only registered with the Charity Commission last year, and I presume prior to that they too were an unincorporated association like WPUK. Where are the baseless accusations levelled at them? Where is the demand to see their accounts? You could argue they do actually trade as no doubt they will charge companies for their training courses.

Prior to that they were a Community Interest Company and prior to that a Company Ltd by Guarantee. You can view all their filings with Companies House going back to 2008 here: find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06617608/filing-history

Marvellous, thank you. Have you reported them to HMRC for trading though?

£159k from training! I wonder if they paid their trainers? Do they pay tax on the profits from that trading income?