Gay men's magazine bullied into grovelling

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twitter.com/BoyzMagazine/status/1332052779871965186

Looks like they're gunning for gay men now. Anything other than complete agreement is no good.

Readers here will be used to this sort of insanity:
twitter.com/robholley/status/1332054419337334789
I wonder if it will wake up those who have not seen it before?

I would tell them to be wary of men who like to talk about lesbian's sex lives, as by definition it is nothing to do with them.

I was responding to a post which said this:

Also, it's strange isn't it how 'LGBT inclusive sex' basically means male gay sex, or even male heterosexual sex? Lots of focus on which holes you can stick dicks or fists into, not much focus on how two girls, sorry two people without a prostate can find pleasure with each other.

Anyway seems pretty clear this thread is descending into personal attacks and smears now.

So its okay for people to attack me based on what they assume my preferences are but if I correct them I'm doing something wrong

People did do that though, and were making assumptions about you and your sex life, and now you're being told that it never happened?!
Standard.
I mean, it's all there for people to read on the thread so I don't know why people do it.

I mostly remember spending ages on an essay explaining all my different roles in society for PSHE and finding out that nobody else had bothered so I needn't have either.

Trauma.

Anyway seems pretty clear this thread is descending into personal attacks and smears now.

Nope. Repeating what you say is not an attack, neither is it a smear.

Nice try, though.

This thread should stand, by the way. Any attempt to get it deleted should be resisted

Who's trying to get it deleted
Or is that the go to accusation when people disagree or say something against group think

We had the basics aged 10 or so. How to make babies and what periods were.

I missed it at secondary school because I dropped biology aged 13, and they taught it in 4th year.

The AIDS crisis meant there was a lot of extra info about safety around.

''the group think'' in this case is that sex education should be age appropriate.

sex education should be age appropriate

Nobody's said otherwise, I certainly haven't and completely agree.
I haven't seen anyone say it shouldn't be either

@Passmeabottlemrjones

Many women, gay and straight, use all sorts of sex toys both alone and during sex. Sex toys are not something strictly reserved for lesbians, talking about sex toys in RSE wouldn't constitute 'LGBT sex education'?!

So either 15 year old kids need to be told about the huge vast array of sex toys available, everything from strap ons to sliver bullets to Tracy's Dog, or they don't need to be told about any of it by their adult teacher and can figure that stuff out themselves outside of the classroom at an age appropriate time.

It's really strange - we all know that blokes think that all women want (no matter what their sexuality) is cock, either real or fake, but to see it in real time action on this thread is really quite something!

Indeed. I for one am genuinely incredibly grateful for places like LGBA, transgender trend and safe schools alliance, for keeping an eye on any organisations accessing kids.

What they are doing is invaluable.

jj1968 please, please do report personal attacks.

That's what MNHQ are there for.

Group think - well yes. Most adults understand that kids need to be protected from having to sit through sessions detailing explicit and rather niche sex acts in a group setting that they cant get out of.
That is a rather large group to be part of. It's an unusual adult who doesnt think that.

@7Days

Group think - well yes. Most adults understand that kids need to be protected from having to sit through sessions detailing explicit and rather niche sex acts in a group setting that they cant get out of. That is a rather large group to be part of. It's an unusual adult who doesnt think that.

I have not suggested that explicit and niche sex acts should be discussed in detail. Here's a good summary of what I think from the TES: www.tes.com/news/what-you-need-know-teach-about-stis-sponsored

"Discuss safe use of sex toys as well and remind pupils that these should be washed and used with condoms to prevent the spread of infection."

Tbh I find it pretty shocking that so many people would rather important information on the transmission of STDs and infections be witheld from young people in case they are corrupted by hearing about a dildo. Really telling where priorities lie.

JJ - So what is it about LGBA perspective on RSE that you object to?

@Quaagars

So its okay for people to attack me based on what they assume my preferences are but if I correct them I'm doing something wrong

People did do that though, and were making assumptions about you and your sex life, and now you're being told that it never happened?!
Standard.
I mean, it's all there for people to read on the thread so I don't know why people do it.

No we weren't.

I was telling jj that jj's perspective was phallocentric because it was. It's not about what jj does with their penis, it's about the internalised cultural attitudes that led to the assumption that lesbians mimick PIV sex as standard, and the mansplaining about lesbians in the face of post after post telling jj to. knock. it. off.

jj's riposte about penises was like a man saying "but I have black friends" when told his posts indicated underlying racist attitudes.

No-one wants to know how many black friends you have. They want you to stop being racist. Similarly, we don't need to know about jj's sex life. We need him to stop speculating about lesbians.

If people were mentioning things I never said, and not mentioning my name either, I wouldn't assume they were referring to things I did say. That would be really strange.

"Discuss safe use of sex toys as well and remind pupils that these should be washed and used with condoms to prevent the spread of infection

someone please help, I can't get a condom on my Magic Wand without tearing it on the attachments, and when I put one on the Satisfyer it messes up the suction.

That article is 'sponsored by Durex' - talk about skin in the game!

are you people being mean by paying attention to what posters say and answering the points they raise?

bunch of fucking vipers. I don't know how you sleep at night

written by a former PHSE teacher..

It’s essential to include and support LGBTQI+ young people across the curriculum – as Scotland has pledged to do – so ensure that you talk about body parts and behaviour, rather than assigning specific genders to each sexual activity. Say, for example, penetration, oral sex and anal sex, rather than “straight sex” or “gay sex”. Discuss safe use of sex toys as well and remind pupils that these should be washed and used with condoms to prevent the spread of infection.

Again... Why the assumptions that sex toys are an LGBT thing and that 'sex toys' are simply fake cocks and therefore can/should be used with a condom?

Telling children they can catch an STI from something other than a body part, it's not the same as teaching them how to use a strap on.

Telling anyone giving oral sex to a woman to use a dental dam is not just about leabian sex.

Using gloves for fingers isn't just a lesbian or LGB issue.

1. Why would anyone assume that a general discussion about what is appropriate to teach children in Sex ED have anything to do with them? Or feel the need to drag their own genitalia into it?

1. Quoting someone and disagreeing with them is not a personal attack.

1. Age appropriate is in the eye of the beholder. I do not think a strap on should be discussed in school or brought into school. Others might find those age appropriate at a relatively early age. I think the school should have the safety, respect and boundaries approach discussed here. I don’t care what other people find age appropriate or what they discuss with their children at home. That is at the parent’s discretion to a large extent. As is screen usage, what films are appropriate at a certain age, etc, etc.