Gay men's magazine bullied into grovelling

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twitter.com/BoyzMagazine/status/1332052779871965186

Looks like they're gunning for gay men now. Anything other than complete agreement is no good.

Readers here will be used to this sort of insanity:
twitter.com/robholley/status/1332054419337334789
I wonder if it will wake up those who have not seen it before?

Winesalot

I'm pretty sure it wasn't you!

If the message given out to young people is that anal sex is highly dangerous, no woman would ever want to do it and its likely to cause all manner of injuries, but it's okay for the gays then that is likely to make young gay men feel stigmatised and also its just not true.

And how about the fact that many many females don’t derive pleasure from the act jj? Or are you ridiculously proposing that females are expected to go along with it so that gay males don’t feel stigmatized.

Just what are you saying? Not to tell females their bodies are smaller than the average males. Not to tell females that gay man derive pleasure from the act due to having a prostate. Not to tell young females that the act they are being convinced to try a) is probably not going to give them pleasure and b) may actually harm them and due to being uncomfortable and finding it not pleasurable is more likely to cause them harm, to reduce the stigma for gay males.

Tell us how you propose to explain the realistic female injuries jj.

(I don’t know about you, but when something is being shoved up one of my orifices that is NOT a pleasure, there is a lot of involuntary clenching involved And that really does not bode well for an orifice made for excretion ...)

I am constantly amazed how often the needs of children and women are ignored here by some posters.

If the message given out to young people is that anal sex is highly dangerous, no woman would ever want to do it.

So?

This reminds me of the time I was chastised on Twitter for being repulsed at the idea of a trans widow being coerced into pegging her husband while he wore negligee, because apparently that meant I was stigmatising anal sex and therefore I was responsible for gay men being killed in Russia.

@Datun

If the message given out to young people is that anal sex is highly dangerous, no woman would ever want to do it.

So?

Pretty good result I should think.

Me too winesalot.

Completely ignored

And how about the fact that many many females don’t derive pleasure from the act jj? Or are you ridiculously proposing that females are expected to go along with it so that gay males don’t feel stigmatized.

Where do you get from what was posted though that women are expected to go along with it if it's mentioned/spoken about in an educational setting in high school (which is where usually learn about sex)
Surely it's better to know about it than not, and not from a playground from peers, I think that's all that's been said?
Of course many females don't derive pleasure from it.
Don't think anyone has said otherwise
Just surely there needs to be a talk about consent and not being coerced into anything you don't want to do is really important and linked too

And I got deletions for responding to posters above my post and someone thought I was being a homophobic

So pissed about that

So fucking pissed on that. On a fast moving thread. Ffs

Good grief - I've seen some arrogant gaslighting in my time but lecturing women in order to silence us from talking about the dangers that anal sex causes to women - especially young women - because some men don't want this discussed takes silencing to a whole new level. Utterly grim.

So what if no woman ever wants to do anal sex? What's so bad about that?

If the message given out to young people is that anal sex is highly dangerous, no woman would ever want to do it.

So?

Pretty good result I should think

So, some do want to, so surely learning about safety and that it's actually a "thing" is important?
Or is anyone who doesn't conform to the pre approved what heterosexual sex has to be all to be shamed now?

Just to clarify by some I meant women, not young people before my words get twisted

Dont be silly Quaagers, come on

So what if no woman ever wants to do anal sex? What's so bad about that?

Choice?

@Duckwit

So what if no woman ever wants to do anal sex? What's so bad about that?

I struggle to believe that any woman really wants to for any reason that isn't related to either porn or female socialisation.

@Quaagars

So what if no woman ever wants to do anal sex? What's so bad about that?

Choice?

A woman not wanting to have anal sex is exercising choice...

If the message given out to young people is that anal sex is highly dangerous, no woman would ever want to do it.

Also noting the sleight of hand here.

The message is going to young people, but it's a woman who makes the decision? No it isn't, it's the young person.

@Quaagars

So what if no woman ever wants to do anal sex? What's so bad about that?

Choice?

She still has a choice?

Quaagers

The poster just minimised the harms to females, Their solution was ‘lots of lube and go slow’... but the first sentence was

‘Those things are exceedingly rare and all human sexual activity carries a degree of risk of both injury and disease’.

Then there was

If the message given out to young people is that anal sex is highly dangerous, no woman would ever want to do it and its likely to cause all manner of injuries, but it's okay for the gays then that is likely to make young gay men feel stigmatised and also its just not true.

The decision to have anal sex should come with full disclosure for females and males. It is NOT appropriate to not tell females about the risks and why males with prostates enjoy it and why there is a likelihood that they won’t.

It is in no way appropriate to tell females they are responsible for destigmatising anal sex!

Nobody is shaming anyone for their sexual preferences. Most posters here believe that the schools job is to teach about consent and safety. In the context of this, anal sex is more risky than vaginal sex.

It has been suggested that to teach this could put women off having anal sex (as the absence of a prostrate makes it less pleasurable and they also have the alternative of vaginal sex). I don’t think that an accurate description of risk - reward is a bad thing. I am shocked that this even is an argument.

I think by the thread and the comments given about what lesbians do is their own business (still gone unanswered as to why, does that mean shou;dn't be spoken about/taught?)

Sorry for having a life and not hanging off your every post - I see you've been bewailing the fact that I haven't replied to you and are still pretending not to understand something that is really easy to understand.

What everybody does in the bedroom is their own business and not something that needs to be taught in depth at school, not just with lesbians. Any in depth discussion of sexual acts in lessons is inappropriate and anyone pushing for it is dangerous.

When it comes to lesbians there is the risk that people advocating that schools should teach how lesbians have sex are doing so from a porn soaked and fetishist reason for doing it. Not the lesbians - you understand, they are the not the ones pushing this. You are.
Lesbian sex has always been distorted and fetishised for the male gaze and this needs to be taken into account and safe guarded against, because this is not going to help young girls questioning their sexuality.

As someone on here said, they 'learned about lesbians from a dodgy video being passed around' ... well, unless it was purely lesbians doing the passing around none of them needed to watch this video to learn, there was nothing there they actually needed to know or that would enlighten them about their own sex lives, they chose to watch it because it was porn made for the male gaze.

Bringing that into the classroom and claiming this is progressive is not progressive - it's abusive.

As I have repeatedly stated, there is no need to spend time in lessons specifically differentiating which sexualities engage in which sexual behaviours. Not least because there is no hard and fast rule on that. You seem to keep missing the part where I keep saying this. It's not that lesbian sex can't be discussed - it's that certain sexual acts do not need to be flagged specifically as lesbian acts. They're just sexual acts.

RSE is not there to teach children how to have sex, it is there to teach them how to have sex safely. That is all children of all sexualities.

To try and pretend that this is somehow suggesting lesbianism shouldn't be spoken about is deliberately missing the point in order to push a pornified version of RSE on children whilst claiming to be the progressive one. Well, I see you and so does everyone else on the thread.

We still seem to be strangely focused on penetration in this thread and the only person conflating heterosexuality and penis-in-vagina intercourse is you, Quaagars.

Any thoughts about how women might really enjoy other activities more commonly classifiedas outercourse and the importance of including them in RSE? Or is it just the anal sex that is really, really, really important to be positive about in school, instead of merely factual?

Ffs. The lack of care for females has just ramped up so many notches. It cannot be lack of self awareness. It seems so blatant.

It is in no way appropriate to tell females they are responsible for destigmatising anal sex!

Who on earth is saying that? The argument seems to be that heterosexual anal sex should be stigmatised. I don't see how that helps anyone. The potential risks of all sexual activity should be pointed out but scare stories about prolapses or claims no woman would ever enjoy it are both dishonest and dangerous. We used to teach young people that just one toke on a joint could cause reefer madness. It wasn't very successful at stopping kids taking drugs. Sex education should be factual, and focussed on consent and safety, because if young people suspect they are being misled just for a second they will ignore the lot of it.