Scottish Trans Alliance to challenge For Women Scotland judicial review

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I see that the previous post with this title has been deleted because it was deemed to be ‘fundraising’ and broke MN Guidelines against this. Can this be a thread where we can discuss the total fucking injustice of having a Scottish Government funded body with Scottish Government funded lawyers opposing a grass roots Women’s organisation who wish to oppose the Scottish Government’s attempts to redefine the word ‘woman’. Please?

I think it needs discussing. It’s too important. And let’s not have any mention or attempt to talk about raising any funds for any organisation otherwise this will disappear too

I was about to say "there's already a thread on this" but there isn't...

Shocking abuse of taxpayers' money to effectively dip into the public purse twice over to try to silence a grass roots women's organisation.

Thanks for starting a new thread. Lets not give cause to have it removed as I'm sure some people would like.

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I said on the other thread, if STA think For Women Scotland's case is pointless, why are they bothering to intervene, and wasting taxpayers money to do so?

Strength and solidarity to FWS and all my sisters everywhere.

Every human culture around the world understands what a woman is, and most of them have sought to control and punish us for it. Thank you for standing for women and girls.

As a woman, mother, lawyer and taxpayer living in Scotland this is so depressing.

In times of disaster, look for the helpers. Thank you FWS and all supporters, for this important work.

It's all a bit 'we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong' isn't it?

The conflict of interest at play here can't be ignored.

I don't understand what they are trying to achieve? As far as I understand it the case is about a fairly dry legal point, not about trans rights as such?

the FWS judicial review is about the redefinition of 'woman' by the Scottish Govement to include 'men' its not dry at all. Very pertinent in hundreds of situations. For example will remove the right of a rape victim to have a female forensic examiner. Do you want me to go on?

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It stinks of cronyism and corruption.

if STA think For Women Scotland's case is pointless, why are they bothering to intervene, and wasting taxpayers money to do so?

Indeed.

Is there a mechanism for demanding an enquiry into this? I know nothing about how it all works, but even I can see that it stinks.

@fatblackcatspaw

the FWS judicial review is about the redefinition of 'woman' by the Scottish Govement to include 'men' its not dry at all. Very pertinent in hundreds of situations. For example will remove the right of a rape victim to have a female forensic examiner. Do you want me to go on?

Apologies. I didn't phrase that very well. What I meant was that, as I understand it, the Representation on Public Boards Bill is reliant on the Equality Act allowing for female quotas. However the bill defines woman differently to the Equality Act which it cannot do as the Equality Act is not devolved.

While it has the other ramifications you mention I don't think they are part of the case. In the same way this specific case is not about trans rights as the law allows for sex based exemptions. I don't see what relevance the STA submission is likely to have as to whether the Scottish Government can ignore the intersection with the Equality Act in this way.

I get you ItsAllGoingToBeFine, a judicial review is argued on points of law, and can be seen as fairly dry when discussing whether the Govt exceeded their authority under the Scotland Act, Section x, Para y, Point 2.3(a), and how is that impacted by case law A v B, etc. And you can bet your last dollar that STA will be wanting to introduce individual TW to explain how they felt, as opposed to bringing forward a new legal point that neither of the two sides hadn't already thought of.

Please keep this thread alive.

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Bloody hell. That letter. It is like she is actually lying on her back looking for a belly rub from STA.

Can anyone give me an explanation of SAS? She seems so determined on her course, in spite of any opposition. Why?

Bump, for helping to dig the garden purposes. Revolting that the Scottish Government is acting against its women and girls like this, and that they're using our money to do it!

The trouble is that every time they look at new legislation they say ‘ oh well woman was defined that way for this act so we can do that again’. Effectively they use it as a precedent every time. This also puts into law that people using she pronouns for a man is evidence that they are a woman really. Every time someone says it costs you nothing to use the right pronouns remember this!

Reminder that it is payday - and as I cannot spend money in the pub, I will spend it on FWS!

Fabulous women!! This Englishwoman from across the boarder!

Bumpity bump once again for those who've just been paid - I threw yet another spadeful in yesterday.

Keep shovelling everyone!

FWS

Apparently the consultation was too build consensus’. Strangely that does not make for a legitimate consultation. Another judicial review anyone?

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I’ll tell you for nothing that I think it’s horribly unreasonable that FWS have to crowdfund for the Judicial review and Scottish Trans just use their government handout.